Does the Policy of the Watchtower Create a Safe Haven for Child Molesters?

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  • Gary1914
    Gary1914
    If this is the case why doesn't the Society publically make known their child abuse policy? Why keep it a secret and send letters only to the elders?Actually they have made it public for anyone who wishes to read it. It is found here for the general public to read:


    http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=background.htm



    Unfortunately that is not good enough. There are many Witnesses who do not have computers because they are afraid that demonism is somehow connected with computers or that Satan is in control of the internet.

    For this policy to reach all Witnesses, they need to publish it in a Watchtower and make it a study article. Only then can it be said that their policy is public knowledge and that all Witnesses are informed of the policy.

    In addition, I never trust anything that is on jw-media. This is all pablum for consumption by the weak and gullible. All persons "in the know" are aware that the real story would never be posted on the Watchtower website.

  • Gary1914
    Gary1914
    Its like sueing Mcdonalds because you were molested by someone who works at Mcdonalds.

    Did it happen on MacDonald's premises? Because if it did someone has an excellent case to take to Court.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

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    Secreted Jehovah Witness pedophiles go door to door as part of their faith to recruit converts! http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/115708/1.ashx Jehovah's Witnesses activist thread go here for intell We now have two links for further information on the Cano case.

    http://www.silentlambs.org/dojwprotectcm.htm

    http://www.silentlambs.org/bethelitechildmolester.htm Man Accused Of Videotaping Boys In O'Hare Bathrooms more video NBC5.com, IL - 14 minutes ago
    ... traveler Rita Weber said. Cano is apparently a Jehovah's Witnesses minister, NBC5's Alex Perez reported. Authorities in New York ... CHICAGO -- A man was arrested in New York state Monday night after he allegedly took a camera into bathrooms at O'Hare International Airport to record men and boys at urinals. Jesus Manuel Cano was arrested by authorities in Middletown, N.Y., after he allegedly set up a date with someone he thought was a 15-year-old boy, but who turned out to be an undercover police officer. He was charged with attempting to promote an obscene sexual performance of a child and endangering the welfare of a child. After his arrest, police said they found the O'Hare videotape in Cano's car Police said Cano would sometimes spend hours following people into the dozens of bathrooms at O'Hare. Travelers like Michelle Armstrong, who had her 15-year-old son with her at O'Hare on Tuesday, said the news was unsettling. "It's just devastating that you have to go through this ... it's unheard of," she said. Armstrong said she is always careful when traveling with her family, but now, she plans to be extra careful. "My son is 15, and I stand outside the door of the bathroom," she said. "And sometimes, I'll stick my head in and say, 'Are you OK?'" Other travelers agreed that the charges were upsetting. "It's pretty ridiculous. I think it's pretty crazy," traveler Jack Meyer said. "Nothing surprises me anymore these days." "It's a scary world, and we all have to be on our guard," traveler Rita Weber said. Cano is apparently a Jehovah's Witnesses minister, NBC5's Alex Perez reported. Authorities in New York said Cano would try to lure boys into sexual encounters by offering them sexual pictures of himself

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  • Gary1914
    Gary1914
    Obviously I disagree with it on some things but, again, I don't accuse them of being evil but only that they keep themselves in ignorance because of wanting so badly to believe in something that gives them hope and a reason to live.

    Hi Keo. I enjoyed reading your posts. You are obviously a sensitive and caring person and I respect that.

    However, please do not be misled. Your statement above would aptly describe the publishers in the local congregations. They tenaciously hold on to the hope of everlasting life.

    But the Governing Body and the those who run the corporations of the Watchtower are another story altogether. These men will do anything to advance their corporations and to make them financially viable. What they are doing has little to do with religion and A LOT to do with making money.

    To that end their written policies may sound good on paper, but as someone else mentioned, implementing those good policies leave much to be desired.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard
    But the Governing Body and the those who run the corporations of the Watchtower are another story altogether. These men will do anything to advance their corporations and to make them financially viable.What they are doing has little to do with religion and A LOT to do with making money

    SHOCKING BAIT & SWITCH DOGMA FOR CA$H

  • thirdwitness
    thirdwitness

    Big Tex, most all the things you bring up I have covered. For example, the Catholic Church's child abuse scandal. Why do we believe it? 1.5 billion dollars awarded by the courts to the victims. Well here read the difference for yourself.

    Some try to compare our policy and the fact that some elders or ministerial servants have been found to be engaging in child molesting to that of the Catholic church. There is a huge difference between the Catholic Church and JWs.

    1.JWs do not transfer known child molesters to different parts of the country to continue to serve as elders.

    2. Known child molesters are never allowed to be servants in the congregation for the rest of their life.

    3. JWs disfellowship practicing child molesters whether they are elders, ministerial servants, Bethelites, COs, DOs, pioneers, publishers, or whatever their position in the congregation. It does not matter. Catholics and other religions have no such policy to remove individual members from their organization.

    Jesus Cano is an example of this fact. If Cano would have been caught by JWs before the police caught him, he would have been immediately kicked out of Bethel and DFed just as he was after the police caught him. If he were a Catholic Minister he would have been transferred to another parish and continued as a Catholic Minister or possibly now that such publicity has come to the Catholic Church for thier mishandling of these matters and money awarded to victims he may have been temporarily removed as a Minister but by no means would he have been excommunicated as a member of the Catholic Church.

    4. Child abuse victims of Catholic priests have been awarded over $1.5 billion dollars by the courts of the land. Money awarded to those bringing lawsuits against the WTS concerning child molesting: -$137,000 dollars. That's right. That figure is a minus $137,000 dollars. The WTS has actually been awarded a net total of $137,000 dollars in cases of child abuse lawsuits brought against them. We will explain next.

  • thirdwitness
    thirdwitness

    And if you would read the blog you would see that this question has been covered also:

    Why not just let the authorities handle child molestation cases since elders have no training in this field?
    Has there ever been a perfect justice system? Isn't it true that people have been getting away with crimes since the human race began. The justice systems in the US and around the world are by far not perfect. People get away with murder and rape all the time. A lot of it depends on what kind of attorney you can afford or who happens to be the judge presiding that day. Some crimes are very difficult to prove. In the case of rape many times you have a he said she said scenario. Since the advent of DNA however these sorts of crimes are easier to prosecute. And some who were convicted have later been proven innocent with DNA evidence. There have even been some who have been wrongly executed. So the justice system makes many mistakes.

    So while the child molester, because he has money to hire the best lawyers or some other reason, may be found not guilty in court of law he should still face discipline in the congregation regardless of the courts failure to convict him. The congregation has the responsibility to keep the organization clean regardless of what the law of the land may conclude about an individual. Should the congregation elders stand idly by waiting for the courts to handle the cases before ruling on the matter with the evidence available? It might take years before the case is settled in the govenmental courts. Meanwhile the child molester is still be considered one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Shouldn't a proven practicing child molester be removed from the congregation as soon as the evidence comes out rather than waiting years for the courts to decide? Of course they should. This is both scriptural, practical, and reasonable. And serves as a protection for all in the congregation. By no means would it be prudent to wait for the courts to handle the case and then the elders make a ruling based on what the court decides. And of course if the elders do not have enough evidence initially and the courts bring forth evidence that can serve as another witness against the molester then the elders can act at that time.

    If the WTS told elders not to handle child abuse cases but just let the authorities take care of it can't you just hear what the critics would be saying? "I can't believe that the WTS shirks their responsibility? They are quick to DF others for lesser offenses but they do not want to touch child molesters just passing the buck on to the authorities. How hypocritical!" And so they are damed if they do and damned if they don't by some. But we are sure that honest ones can see the scriptural reasons why the elders should handle cases of all serious wrongdoing, including child molesting, as soon as possible.

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    3W: #1 Leo Greenlees

    #2 Big Tex indicates his own rapist father is still a servant. There are many people on here (including myself) who could name known and convicted child molestors who are currently serving in some capacity in the congregation.

    #3 There are FOUR undisfellowshipped child molestors in my home congregation. Only one of them was ever disfellowshipped, and they let him back in after only a few months.

    #4 If a monetary judgement handed down from a US court is what it takes to convince you, keep an eye on what is happening in Napa Valley, CA. So far the WT has taken a major beating on all motions.
    As far as the JWs having better policies, even the public school system has better methods for dealing with molestors. The answer is not shunning, the answer is doing background checks on anyone in a position of authority in any capacity, and in not ever letting anyone with a record have access to children, as well as informing parents if there is someone that could potentially victimize their children.
    In my personal experience, I spent many hours in the home of a child rapist, playing with his kids, (who were being raped possibly on the same days I was there,) and did I find out from my father, when he was informed about what was happening? No, I learned that the man was a child rapist from the news media when his wife and daughter turned him in to the authorities. So tell me again how well it was handled? Because I'm telling you, the elders handled the rapist's case down to the letter of WT law, but if I hadn't seen it in the newspaper, I never would have known.
    So explain to me just how that is protecting the congregation, and an effective policy? Oh, BTW, that child rapist never was disfellowshipped. He's still a member in good standing in the congregation.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    No you haven't. You have not shown 1 scripture whereby Jehovah has commanded his followers to demand a child must 2 eyewitnesses, nor have you shown me the scriptural basis whereby Jehovah demands his followers may not accept a child's account of their rape or his followers may not accept the eyewitness account of a non-believer.

    Show me. I say it again and again. Your refusal or inability only shows this arbitrary and evil rule is non biblically based. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that since the child abuse policy you are so smug about is not based on the Bible but rather on the teachings of men. Did not John (in Revelation) warn what the consequences were for those who added to the Bible?

    1.JWs do not transfer known child molesters to different parts of the country to continue to serve as elders.

    Prove it.

    My father was ordered to leave the Cedar Hill congregation in Dallas, Texas and transferred to the Carrollton congregation. Of course, he was only a ministerial servant so I guess that doesn't count, right?

    I have shared some personal stories with the idea that I want you, and anyone lurking to realize that I am 1 person in 1 city. Imagine for a moment how many times this same scenario (or worse) has happened in hundreds of small towns or large cities across the United States. And then imagine how many more times these same hideous events have occurred across the planet in thousands of congregations.

    And even if, for the sake of argument, it has only happened ONE time, would you not agree that is one time too many? I asked you earlier, to show me what the Society is doing to correct these problems. You ignored me. The reason why is clear: they do nothing. In which case it is tacit approval. My biblical basis for saying so are those kings in the Hebrew scriptures who did not "pull down" false gods and stop false worship. Jehovah, through his prophets, clearly said those kings bore the responsibility to stop the evil, even when they did not actively participate.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are morally bankrupt, more interested in the letter of the law and countless picayune rules, rather than the spirit of love whether it be love of God or love of their fellow man. Jesus once talked about a group of people who were more with following law rather than living the spirit behind it.

    2. Known child molesters are never allowed to be servants in the congregation for the rest of their life.

    See this is the kind of platitude that looks and sounds good but in practise is actually empty air. Operative word: known child molestors. And whom do the Society consider to be known? Those who were witnessed by 2 baptized members of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    After I quit going, my wife moved to another congregation. Interestingly, in that congregation there was a pedophile who molested at least 4 pre-school age children. Only one of those children was willing to defy the elders. The elders had told each set of parents not to "bring reproach on Jehovah's name" by reporting the abuse to the police and that there would be consequences. Only one had the courage to not only face up to the offender but the elders and the congregation by reporting and then testifying. The creep was convicted.

    When he was released, he returned to the same congregation and was assigned to the same book study as the one victim who testified against him. Coincidence? The congregation as a whole shunned this family, while welcoming this pedophile back with open arms. Eventually the family was forced to move. And this convicted sex offender, who has to legally register as a sex offender, was allowed to attend a children's only roller skating party. My children were at that party. Thank God nothing happened.

    Why so much support for a convicted sex offender? Because the child could not present 2 witnesses to their abuse. The elders refused to accept the child's testimony and the pedophile refused to confess. So, according to Jehovah's Witnesses and their teachings, this child must therefore be a liar. And if they spread the lie, by reporting to the police, it is slander. And the elders reasoned that they were justified in shunning this child and their family because they spread slander and were liars. And they reasoned they were justified in welcoming this convicted sex offender because there were not 2 witnesses.

    That you, and others like you, refuse to see the hideous nature and absolute evil of this rule says a great deal about what your sect is really about. Again I say, the actions of your sect make your platitudes a lie.

    3. JWs disfellowship practicing child molesters whether they are elders, ministerial servants, Bethelites, COs, DOs, pioneers, publishers, or whatever their position in the congregation. It does not matter. Catholics and other religions have no such policy to remove individual members from their organization

    Indeed. And what do you consider to be "practicing"? What is your standard of proof that a pedophile is molesting children? Oh wait I forgot you demand 2 eyewitnesses. The elder's son I spoke of earlier is now grown and is an elder himself. How do you suppose that happened? No action was ever taken against him, despite the fact he was literally witnessed abusing his nice.

    And how many times has that same scenario played out across this country and others? And what is the Society doing to correct this problem?

    And we're caught in that endless loop. It's not about reality is it? It's about making look and sound good. Much like another certain religious group 2,000 years ago who were convinced they were Jehovah's chosen people. They too liked to look good.

    If Cano would have been caught by JWs before the police caught him, he would have been immediately kicked out of Bethel and DFed just as he was after the police caught him.

    Wait a minute. What happened to the need for 2 witnesses? So that's thrown out the window if the case is made public? Well that's interesting.

    So I guess the mistake I and thousands of other victims made is that we were just weren't lucky enough to have our rapist talked about on the national news. And I guess that means that Jehovah doesn't care about abuse victims unless the discovery of the offender will bring "reproach on his name", eh?

    Justice be damned. Ignore the pain thousands of people endure daily. Ignore reality. It's all about spin control isn't it?

    4. Child abuse victims of Catholic priests have been awarded over $1.5 billion dollars by the courts of the land. Money awarded to those bringing lawsuits against the WTS concerning child molesting: -$137,000 dollars. That's right. That figure is a minus $137,000 dollars. The WTS has actually been awarded a net total of $137,000 dollars in cases of child abuse lawsuits brought against them.

    Ah, so it's all about money then. You don't need 2 witnesses to believe a child was abused. You need monetary judgments. So that's what will prove it.

    You do realize by the way that there are currently dozens of tort actions relating to child abuse pending against this across this country.

    Again I ask you, what is the Society doing to address the problem?

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    3w, I know it's probably a waste of time, but I am going to address a couple of points you made in your posts.

    It is totally stupid to believe that JWs do not want child molesters out of the organization

    Do you have any examples, apart from the recent case of Jesus Cano, who was caught red - handed by the police before the wts supposedly knew anything about his conduct, where jws have been disfellowshipped? Perhaps you do, but I assure you that there are examples of brothers NOT being disfellowshipped, even after being taken to court and found guilty, including one in my former congregation. In fact, the elders "handling" of his case is one of the reasons why it's my former congregation and I am no longer a jw. He got 7.5 years in prison, but is still a jw in good standing, whereas his wife and daughter, who finally went to the police after receiving little or no support from the elders are both disfellowshipped. When the case got in the local paper, one elder said his children were "promiscuous", and led him on to do what he did. One of them was 5 years old at the time, and another was 8. I can't recall ever meeting a promiscuous 5 year old, can you?

    You had this to say about Sarah Poisson:

    Sarah Poisson's case was dismissed because there was no proof of the claims made. Quite to the contrary there is proof she told falsehoods.

    True, the compensation case was dismissed, but how about the case against Paul Berry, her ex husband? Last I heard, he was found guilty on 17 counts of rape and is currently serving 56 - 112 years in jail. I haven't heard of him being disfellowshipped either. On the day of his sentencing, over 20 members of his kh turned up, not to support his kids, but to speak for him. How loving of them!

    There are many more examples of cases all over the world where the perpetrator received support whilst the victim was persecuted. You can discredit Bill Bowen and silentlambs all you like, but If the cases on his website are all lies, as you appear to imply, I find it very strange that the wts, who we all know can be very litigation - conscious, hasn't tried to silence him through the courts. They leave it to whichever misguided person wrote the blog, and I did read it all despite feeling sick before I got halfway through it, to accuse Bill Bowen and his supporters of being "apostate liars". Most of us on this site are well aware of who the liars are, and it's not Bill Bowen or his supporters.

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