by thirdwitness 597 Replies latest watchtower scandals
Thirdwitness,
You can rationalize and justify all you want, but you will never persuade me to believe that it is Biblically correct to demonize the U.N. with one side of the mouth and then praise it with the other. Call it what you will. I call it hypocrisy.
Oh, and what is irrelevant to you was not irrelevant to the United Nations. It required ANNUAL reports on Watchtower's activities related to United Nations issues. Sorry, but you can't dismiss it.
Thirdwitness,
What other governments besides the U.N. (since you claim it's a government) have the Watchtower praised in the pages of its literature? You would think if they all deserve the respect as "superior authorities," (as does the U.N. as you claim) that one could readily find such info. Has anyone seen such articles?
Kenneson:
Kenneson
thirdwitness may be referring to the revelation book to which the UN is described as an 8th king. Is that you were referring to it as a govermental "superior authority"?
Thirdwitness,
Consider the following info about Ngos. Some try to apply this only to Ecosoc, but consider the final paragraph. Under "Background on the relationship with society"
"Based on the Charter provisions, both the preamble and article 71, the United Nations has had a relationship with civil society since its establishment. The FIRST SET OF RULES on the relationship was adopted in 1950 by ECOSOC. These rules were reviewed by the General Assembly in 1968 in resolution 1296, which became the basis for establishing CRITERIA for the participation of non governmental organizations (Ngos) in the United Nations which REMAINED for ALMOST THREE DECADES...
"In 1996 ECOSOC concluded the major review of arrangements for Ngos. The ARRANGEMENT FOR NGOS AT THE UNITED NATIONS AS A WHOLE WERE UPDATED AND ADOPTED by ECOSOC resolution 1996/31. This resolution is the current basis for partnerships between Ngos and the United Nations...
"One should note that the Department of Public Information of the United Nations has its own cooperation with Ngos. The importance of working with and through Ngos as an integral part of United Nations information activities was recognized when the Department of Public Information was first established in 1946 and the WORK is BASED on General Assembly resolution 13 (I) and LATER ON RESOLUTION 1296 and 1996/31."
As one can see it is incorrect to say that nothing in Resolution 1296 and 1996/31 applies to DPI.
http://www.un.org/ga/president/55/speech/civilsociety.htm#general
littlerockguy,
Yes, I found what it says on page 254, but I don't agree that the United Nations was "designed to look like a world government." Thirdwitness, did you write this part? I have already demonstrated that the U.N. was never intended to be world government. It has not acted like a world government by sending armies into the field to resolve international disputes, as in Korea, the Sinai Peninsula, some African countries, and Lebanon, as the text maintains. First of all, it doesn't have its own army to send. It has to request soldiers from different nations (they don't come from just one government) to go into countries (like in Lebanon right now). And those nations have to agree or not to send troops. The book states: "But it is only the image of a king. Like a religious image, it has no real influence or power APART from what is invested in it by those who brought into existence and worship it...As John soon learns, the time will come when the UN will act with considerable authority. Then it, in its turn, 'goes off into destruction.' " I've maintained all along that the U.N. can't do a thing of its own initiative. Yet any government can. That book was written 18 years ago and the U.N. has no more authority today than it did then. Iran is snubbing its nose at the U.N. right now. What will the U.N. do if economic sanctions fail? Will it ask member nations to send in troops? And what if that fails? And the Sudan continues to refuse admittance of U.N. troops into its country. "Considerable authority," says the Watchtower. But definitely not now.
However, my question is, if you can praise the U.N. in Watchtower literature, why not the U.S., British, Russian, Chinese or the 191 governments or nations that are members? Where do we find favorable articles on even a few of them?
Thirdwitness, I think you may have missed my question. I asked:
Why were Witnesses in Malawi not allowed party cards?
Thirdwiness,
so what you are saying is that avarage JW can also estublish himself/herself as an NGO with UN and he/she would not be disfellowshipped for it???
3W, If you're trying so hard to answer everyone's posts, why don't you answer mine???
j
JAYHAWK, What I have shown is the first and last pages of the application for NGOs with the ECOSOC of which the WTS was not one and never filled out such an application. It can be found here:
http://www.un.org/esa/coordination/ngo/ Click on forms and documents and then
click on application in English
