thirdwitless wrote:
: All the things you said above are basically a repeat of what you have already stated.
Not at all. Up to that point, I simply refuted everything you said, but had not put the evidence together into a single line of argument. I also added material that I had not spoken of before.
It's painfully obvious that you're entirely unable to refute anything I've said except by simple declaration: "Tain't so!" JW lurkers, take note of the intellectual cowardice of this self-proclaimed JW defender.
I added a good deal of important related material as well, which again you're too dishonest to deal with. Like Mommy, like son.
: One point you make worth noting is that the medes destroyed the temple in Harran. I have never denied that. It is just a question of when it was destroyed.
There is no question about that. The ancient sources are unanimous.
: They most certainly could have returned at a later day because they were often in the area fighting in the southeast part of what is now known as Turkey which is in the general area of Harran.
Where is your evidence?
Oh, yeah, your 'evidence' is that Watchtower chronology doesn't work if one accepts the ancient sources.
: I have shown a plausible explanation if the Hillah Stele is indeed accurate.
No, you have not. You've offered nothing but speculation based on your need to defend Watchtower chronology. That you've run away from a detailed discussion of every single point I've brought up proves it.
: Since the 2 accounts
I offered three accounts, you moron.
: that you offer as proof that the temple was destroyed in the 16th year of Nabopolasser do not actually say that then you make an assumption. The assumption just might be wrong.
I've clearly demonstrated that this is not an assumption, but a fact. But we all know that you reject the facts when they conflict with Watchtower chronology.
: Personally I believe it was written based on inaccurate sources as was the Adad-Guppi.
You have not demonstrated -- using evidence -- that that source is inaccurate.
: But even if not I have shown you that the Hillah Stele does not conclusively disprove 607.
Nonsense. You've offered nothing but pure speculation and no evidence whatsoever.
: This is something you and your friends fail to show about the 40 year desolation of Egypt.
More nonsense. All you've done with that is to claim, "I'm just taking God at his Word and assuming that Ezekiel's prophecy was fulfilled as written." But you hypocritically fail to "take God at his Word" in plenty of other places in the Bible. Why? Because secular evidence demands it. Yet you reject all of the secular evidence that proves that Egypt was never desolated in the 6th century B.C. Thus your stance is nothing but special pleading and self serving.
The fact that you know your stance is hypocritical is proved by the fact that you're deathly afraid of tackling my proof of the above points in my thread, "Why the Watchtower Society Interprets Genesis Non-Literally" ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/118096/1.ashx ). You know all too well that it exposes the Watchtower Society's hypocrisy and double standards in its own claims to "take God at his Word".
: You failed to show how that 40 year desolation does not disprove 587 when it clearly does.
We will leave readers to judge that for themselves.
: My explanation of the uninspired Hillah Stele is far more believeable than any explanations you and your cronies offered on the 40 year desolation.
LOL! "Speculation is far more believable than actual evidence!" Yes, that about sums up Watchtower philosophy, alright.
: AlanF: So according to these ancient, contemporary sources, in the 16th year of Nabopolassar the city of Harran and its people were desolated, and the temple Ehulhul was ruined, even destroyed.
: And by the way, you have just done what you accused me of doing. Combining two different inscriptions to form one.
I never accused you of that. You're a liar.
: And yours is a blatant deceitful error. The Sipar Cylinder does not state that it was in the 16th year of Nabopolasser.
I never said it did.
: By combining two different sources you attempt to deceive. It has not gone unoticed by JW lurkers.
The Sippar Cylinder states: "(Sin) became angry with that city [Harran] and temple [Ehulhul]. He aroused the Medes, who destroyed that temple and turned it into ruins." All of the evidence we have about any such destruction by the Medes is contained in ancient sources like this, that all point to Nabonidus' 16th year. You've offered no evidence-based refutations for taking these sources at face value. Once again all you've set forth is speculation based on your need to defend Watchtower chronology. Evidence in favor of your speculation would be something like showing that the Medes attacked Harran twice -- but you have nothing of the kind.
All in all, thirdwitless, you're doing a bang up job of showing the lengths of braindeadness to which a JW defender will go to defend Watchtower nonsense. You do not respect God's Word, contrary to what you claim, because you accept secular evidence when convenient and reject it at a whim. Please keep up the good work!
AlanF
