National Healthcare for the USA (page 4)

frozen one

Yes, it is true that I could lose my present health care benefits if I got fired or laid off. There is risk in all aspects of life. The emphasis here is on the word COULD. However, if national health care came to be I WOULD lose the level of care that I currently have. I know this because no government can provide every citizen with the level of health care I currently enjoy. It would bankrupt the nation. Given that my personal level of care would be lower under a national system, I would hope that I would have to pay less for the less comprehensive benefit.

Robdar

FO:
Yes, it is true that I could lose my present health care benefits if I got fired or laid off. There is risk in all aspects of life. The emphasis here is on the word COULD. However, if national health care came to be I WOULD lose the level of care that I currently have. I know this because no government can provide every citizen with the level of health care I currently enjoy. It would bankrupt the nation. Given that my personal level of care would be lower under a national system, I would hope that I would have to pay less for the less comprehensive benefit.

FO makes a good and valid point. IMO we only need a program for US citizens who do not already have health insurance. Meanwhile, the citizens who are fortunate enough to work for a company that provides excellent health insurance can keep theirs.

Granted, this plan may not be equally distributed among the citizens but I'm not sure that it should be. What's the point in working hard for a good company if you can't enjoy the perks that come from that labor?

daniel-p

This thread is ripe for a full-blown shitfest. My prediction: 10 pages by Tuesday.

sammielee24

..the problem is that companies/employers are complaining about the cost of health insurance for their employees and what is becoming a common theme now is for the employer to pay less and less and have the employee pick up more. The number of companies that want out of paying these benefits is growing every day which is my understanding, why the UAW has now backed the proposal. Right now, those who are deemed uninsurable, must either pay through the nose for insurance or go without and that is another reason why national is so desired for anyone with any existing conditon. It also means that anyone who must leave a job and go to another one, anyone who drops out of the workforce to have children, anyone who is disabled for any reason - they need not worry about finding both a company to insure them, wait for the insurance kick in and have to try and funnel enough into the bank account for that purpose. The bottom line is clear though - Americans die younger, they are less healthy, they spend more on healthcare than any other country and the number of uninsured/under insured is costing the system now, millions of dollars. swife.

acsot

In the July issue of the American Journal of Public Health, Harvard researchers found that while US residents spend twice as much per capita on health care, they're 19% more likely to face unmet health needs than Canadian residents.

"These findings raise serious questions about what we're getting for the $2.1 trillion we're spending on health care this year," said Dr. David Himmelstein, Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard and co-author of the study. "We pay almost twice what Canada does for care, more than $6,000 for every American, yet Canadians are healthier, and live two to three years longer."

Fangorn

I've had health care under both systems, including surgery, and I'll take the US system. Anyone that thinks ordinary Cubans get good medical care is a benighted fool. I know Cubans, ex-Cubans, and people with relatives in Cuba and the whole "wonderful healthcare" deal is a propaganda fairy tale.

Sailor Ripley

I'll agree with Robdar. I want to keep the insurance, pretty damn good insurance, for my family. If others want to socialize medicine then great... but I don't want to pay for or be involved in it. We'll pay pennies for our kid to be born soon.

My only thought is regarding the "fortunate" part. I paid for 100% of my undergrad and spent 6 years, very long years, many Saturdays and many nights getting my MBA as did my wife. I feel our standing in this world has got nothing to do with "fortune" but more to do with us busting our humps, making wise decisions, foregoing bad investments and living well to have what we have.

For that group of people that have or had the means to make more of their life than they did but they "chose" not to. Too bad. Should I be penalized, or forced to pay for someone that hasn't paid as much attention to their health and savings as I have? I hope not.

I know it sounds wonderful for everyone to have great healthcare but it ain't free. What's going to pay for it? Taxes. Taxing whom? Those that pay more taxes are inherently paying more for this wonderful healthcare. The ones that pay more taxes are the ones that make more. We pay a lot of freakin' taxes.

I'd rather give as little money to the government as possible. Name one program that they run efficiently.

Robdar

My only thought is regarding the "fortunate" part. I paid for 100% of my undergrad and spent 6 years, very long years, many Saturdays and many nights getting my MBA as did my wife. I feel our standing in this world has got nothing to do with "fortune" but more to do with us busting our humps, making wise decisions, foregoing bad investments and living well to have what we have.

For that group of people that have or had the means to make more of their life than they did but they "chose" not to. Too bad. Should I be penalized, or forced to pay for someone that hasn't paid as much attention to their health and savings as I have? I hope not.

For the most part I agree with what you've stated. Some are way more educated than others and deserve to reap the rewards of their their hard work. But that doesn't mean that the rest of us do not work hard and save what money we can. I used the term "fortunate" because sometimes situations do not work out as well for others as they did for you and your wife, no matter the precautions taken. Businesses fold. Sometimes the people working for them planned and saved just like you. Is it still their fault? Did they make bad decisions? Does that mean that they are not deserving of health insurance?

Agent Socrates

Signed Documents Relevant to the Right to Health Care

Two words, BS. For one thing the ONLY document that has any meaning at all for USA citizens (except for globalist socialists) is the Constitution. And promote the general welfare has NOTHING to do with this. If you doubt me, please feel free to read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers.

Agent Socrates

I think that corporations should foot the bill

And you don't think that just maybe they are going to pass on the cost, either in the price of goods, or lower wages?

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