The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness 1380 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  OUTLAW

  Flash,what about early Biological Warefare??..In ancient warefare they would catapault dead cows over the castle wall to create disease..They had dead cows before 1914..I`m afraid flying dead cows completly destroys your arguement..LOL!!...OUTLAW
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  thirdwitness

  Steve: thirdwitness, I think you've just validated AlanF.
  :W.E. Vine says: parousia does not signify merely a coming, it includes or suggests the presence which follows the arrival.

  If you think this validates Alan then you do not understand what JWs teach about Christ's presence. We teach that he arrived in Kingdom power in 1914 and has been present ever since in the new capacity as ruler of God's kingdom. His presence culminates at Armageddon.

  Just look at the question: What will be the sign of your presence and the conclusion of the system?

  Then look at Jesus' answer. He brings out many things that would happen that would cover a distinct time period. It would be just like the days of Noah until the flood came. All the things Jesus foretold is evidence that he is present. His presence extends over a time period. It is not just his coming to execute the final judgment. During his presence there would be events taking place that would occur before that final execution. These things that he said would occur makes up the sign of his presence. Some would try to make it so complicated so as to mislead others. And even try to make you think that JWs teach something that they don't really teach.
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  jayhawk1

  You want it on a silver platter.

  Yes, we all want it on a silver platter. I prefer it to look like this.
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  jayhawk1

  OUTLAW,

  I want the job Jeff Foxworthy described... shooting chickens out of a cannon. Maybe we could build one big enough to shoot cows out of too!
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  thirdwitness

  And Steve to you also:

  Why do you keep trying to bring up the same thing over and over again. It has been thoroughly covered. Times means what the Bible says it means. Thats it. Whatever else you say is redundant. 3.5 times = 1260 days according to Revelation. Your question makes no sense.

  And just as logic and reason on the 70 weeks necessitates applying a day for a year so does the 7 times. I have explained it thoroughly. I realize you do not want to accept the clear and reasonable explanation. You want it on a silver platter. I understand that you don't want to dig deeply into the Bible and connect the dots that are there to be connected. I understand that you do not want to accept that Ezekiel 21 is the very same story as Daniel 4. That one explains the other. I understand that you don't want to accept Isa 6 showing the massive tree was cut down in 607 and the stump of the tree was the holy seed. You wanted Daniel to say, " Hey look boys and girls, 7 times is 2520 days and applying a day for a year as in other cases in the Bible we can arrive at the end of the Gentile Times, 1914." So you want to walk outside your door and find the treasure sitting on your front porch and not have to look at the map and dig for the treasure.

  If you want to believe that Daniel 4 is merely a story about some king going mad 2500 years ago then you will have to rip Ezekiel 21 and Isaiah 6 and Revelation 12 out of your Bible and ignore them. Then you can pick up your blinders and put them on and continue to wear them.

  Every prophecy in Daniel is about the King of God's kingdom.
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  jayhawk1

  Every prophecy in Daniel is about the King of God's kingdom.

  How do you know this? (I am being serious when I ask this question.)
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  thirdwitness

  To those who would attempt to discredit Vine saying he had an agenda.

  So what? What is the agenda of Carl Jonnson and Alan F? I think it is obvious what their agenda is.

  But let me remind you of Vine's credentials: W.E. Vine, M.A., was known in his day (1873-1949) as a classical scholar, a skilled expositor, and an acute theologian. Recognized as one of the world's foremost Greek scholars, his Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, first published in 1939, now available in Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, represents the fruit of his lifetime labors and is an unsurpassed classic in its field. And Alanf's sources that he quoted did not even disagree with Vine. Some of them outrightly said that parousia can be properly translated as presence. Even so, I have shown the Greek words used in Matt 24 and they prove beyond a doubt that there is a difference between parousia and coming. And the context certainly and definitely allows for that difference. In fact, if the difference is not shown and both words are translated as coming the whole context becomes confusing and the true meaning of what is being said is lost.
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  thirdwitness

  How do I know that every prophecy of Daniel points to the king of God's kingdom. Because the Bible says so.

  Dan 2:44, "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;"

  Dan 7:27 "And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One. Their kingdom is an indefinitely lasting kingdom, and all the rulerships will serve and obey even them."

  Dan 8:25: "And against the Prince of princes he will stand up, but it will be without hand that he will be broken."

  Dan 12:1 "And during that time Mi´cha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people."

  Even Daniel 5 concerning the conquest of Babylon points to the Greater Cyrus, the King Christ Jesus, who Jehovah calls 'his anointed one' in Isaiah 45:1.

  How about Daniel 4. Does it also conclude with God's Kingdom? Dan 4:17 "By the decree of watchers the thing is, and [by] the saying of holy ones the request is, to the intent that people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind."
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  okie46

  Hey thirdwitless what's your agenda? What is your explanation for being on this website if you know so much and are so holy than you should know what a big sin you are committing by being here on this website.
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  OUTLAW

  JayHawk1,We could base it on the potatoe cannon..First we get one of those big pipes they use to divert a creek under a highway..Next we need an explosive..Like methane..Cows fart,actually they fart alot..We can use the resorces at hand..So we get a cow in the pipe,feed it a couple of beer.Put a match to the pipe and BAM!!A friggin cow being shot through the air at an unbelievable speed..Wanna visit Bethel??..LOL!!...OUTLAW