The twisted words of the bible and jehovah is jesus

by sinis 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  sinis

  I've been reading a few articles on the subject of Jehovah being jesus in the new testament, which makes perfect sense. As I don't believe the bible is the word of god (or has been SEVERELY altered by man), I do believe there may be some small shreds of truth. Could it be that Yahweh in the OT is jesus of the NT? I believe they are one and the same, and that El is Almighty God. I wonder, when you read the verses where Jesus speaks to the jews, and other verses in the bible were it is said that Jehovah/Jesus does not want sacrifice and that jesus said they have never heard from or seen his father, if the bible was grossly added to by the jews to push there own military agenda. If you remove all the supposed cruel acts of god in the OT and NT and remove the burnt sacrafices "required" in the OT, then Jehovah/Jesus does not become such a bad person. Which leads me to believe that someone added that to justify there conquests. This also leads me to believe that if there is ANY truth in the original sin, either more was involved which is not discussed in the bible or man made a feabile attempt to try and justify, in his mind, why Jehovah/Jesus kicked him out.

  I find that in myths, or stories, there always seems to be a shred of truth buried on top of a mound of deception. I tend to look at the bible as a quasi historical book wrapped in a layer of jewish mythology and military conquests. Perhaps, the original words penned in the bible were inspired, but over time man corrupted it, and jehovah/jesus said to hell with it. Which, when you read the words of jesus in the NT, he gets away from the written word and says the word of truth that would lead men to God could be found in the heart (no room for others to corrupt, unless you allowed someone to do it). So, with that in mind, I would tend to believe that the bible is no longer used by jehovah/jesus as that time has passed. Thoughts?
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  Legolas

  As I don't believe the bible is the word of god (or has been SEVERELY altered by man),

  If there is a god.... a LOVING god as the bible claims...he would NEVER EVER let that happen!
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  agapa37

  I do know from the Scriptures that Jesus Highly regarded the written scrolls as the Word of God and went by them. I remember one instance in perticular whe Satan tried to tempt Jesus. The three times Jesus was tempted by him he (Jesus) used Scripture to refute and set Satan straight. Interestingly enough Satan did used scripture as well but he twisted the actual meaning of the texts.
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  sinis

  I agree, but hear me out. Lets say you write a technical book on how to maintain a car. I come along and grossly pervert the manual and even throw some bad stuff in, just because I don't like you. You attempt to fix the problem but now your tech manual is out to print everywhere and procedures have been handed down by word of mouth. It comes a point where you just say screw it, and let THEM figure it out for themselves. Eventually, you hope the ones who find the errors in the manual start looking a little deeper for the correct method of fixing a part.

  I think this is much like God. Given todays age, how many people would even respond if god came out of the sky and talked? Hell, we can't even stay focused on what the terrorists in this country did less than 5 years ago?!

  Maybe god does have a master plan for humans but we have been bamboozled by his "word" (falsely added to) that we can't see the trees from the forest...

  That my take at least.
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  sinis

  I do know from the Scriptures that Jesus Highly regarded the written scrolls as the Word of God and went by them. I remember one instance in perticular whe Satan tried to tempt Jesus. The three times Jesus was tempted by him he (Jesus) used Scripture to refute and set Satan straight. Interestingly enough Satan did used scripture as well but he twisted the actual meaning of the texts.

  But what part of the scriptures? At what point did the 1 chapter scroll he was looking at and agreed with become the 80 chapter book we have today?
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  agapa37

  Sinis I tend to believe that God is powerful enough to have his word perserved intact and as he intended it to be. I mean dont we have original documents in archives that have been PRESERVED by humans without any tampering? I can name many. If man can do it. Surely it would pose no problem for God to do the same dont you think?
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  sinis

  I think it really depends on what you believe the level of preservation should be. Perhaps, jesus knew a time was coming when the "word" would be deceptive:

  Luke 11:

  9 "I tell you, keep asking, and it will be given you. Keep seeking, and you will find. Keep knocking, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives. He who seeks finds. To him who knocks it will be opened.
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  fullofdoubtnow

  I don't personally believe the bible nowadays, but wouldn't mind knowing if it is god's word, why are there so many differrent translations of it? How come, if god wanted to send a message to mankind, he has allowed that message to be translated, and even distorted by some?

  Just wondering.
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  sinis

  Something I just thought of. Was the Bible even supposed to be the word of god?!?!? Or just a guide for the Isrealites at the time? I see no where in the modern day compelation of books known as the bible that god specifically said he was going to have his words preserved. Man compiled these hundreds of years after christ for motives other than pure. Every reference in the NT to scriptures are referenced to the OT, and who is to say, since they were supposedly fulfilled in Jesus that there was no longer a need to keep them accurate? Hell, Jehovah had cast the jews off hundreds of years prior for disobeying Him. So what need is there to keep the writings accurate?

  This is why I say that though I believe there are some small shreds of truth, I do not believe it is gods word meant for us today as man has changed things to suit his needs and power.
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  agapa37

  jesus knew a time was coming when the "word" would be deceptive:

  Sinis I must say that Judging from Jesus words in the opening statements he made in the book of revelations that the word would be something we would need to read and go by....notice what he said.......Revelations 1 :3 "Happy is he who READS aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy and who OBSERVE the things written in it........"

  That prophecy ws written by paul and is part of Gods written word. Now there will come a time were NEW scrolls will be opened for us to obey, but that time is in the future. So for now the bible is Gods way of instucting us.