A Thread To Note Questions That ThirdWitness Is Incapable Of Answering....

by hillary_step 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Hello,

    At this stage I feel it prudent to start a thread on which all those who have been involved in debating ThirdWitness and his behind the scenes cronies can begin to list questions that he is unwilling or incapable of answering.

    I do this for two major reasons :

    1) To prove to all the thousands of lurking JW's that ThirdWitness and his orchestra of theological mice are actually not able to defend WTS theology without ignoring pertinent questions that seriously compromise their arguments.

    2) To prove to all reading this Board, including the moderators, that ThirdWitness is here not to discuss his/their theology ( which differs in some respects from WTS theology ) but merely to preach their ideology.

    I will be away from the Board until tomorrow evening, but as you might have noticed I have posed numerous questions on various threads which ThirdWitness has ignored, bypassed or bluffed his way past. These will all be listed. If I might ask, please use normal font, do not place comments by your questions, but merely list the questions.

    This is an international board read by thousands of JW's and I am sure that they will reach a deserving conclusion about these debates when all the questions are collated, so your efforts are well worth while.

    Many thanks - HS

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1


    My list so far...

    1. How is it that Tyre's desolation for all eternity has a figurative fulfillment and yet Egypt's 40 year desolation is supposed to be a literal fulfillment when Egypt and Babylon can't conferm the lattir ever happening.

    2. What is the differences between a figurative prophecy and a literal one when reading one in the Bible? How can they be interpreted accurately? How is one to know which is which?

    3. How is the Day for a Year rule only used for some prophecies and not others? How is one to know when to use it and when not to?

    4. How do we know all prophecies in the Book of Daniel apply to the Messiah? In particular the tree one that is talking about Nebuchadnezzar, why should it also be applied to the Messiah? Would this make the Messiah the Greater Nebuchadnezzar?

    5. How is it a day can be a day in one verse, a day can be a year in another verse, a day can be 1000 years in another verse, and a day can be an unknown amount of time in another verse? If I must list examples of each "day" I will, but I think we all know what I'm talking about.

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Oh, and one especially for the poster that goes by the name scholar...

    I am still waiting for that list of names of these celebrated watchtower scholars. What are the names? You can't be a celebrated anything when you are anonymous! Use the dictionary or use the thesaurus and you will see what I mean.

    (I am really trying to hold back on the large bold print on this one!)

  • Satanus
    Satanus
    You can't be a celebrated anything when you are anonymous!

    I love it. Maybe each one has his own private celebration, all by himself. Or, maybe all wt scholars get together as an exclusive group, like the socalled secret societies do, and celebrate. If that is so, the question that logically follows is how do they celebrate? Is it cakes, ice cream, booze, sex, movies, underlining wt's, watching old rutherford vids/records, or all of the above?

    S

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1


    Auldsoul brought up a question I want to ask.

    How long is a time or times? Is it longer or shorter than a year? For instance the phrase seven times is used in the Book of Daniel in one of its prophecies, how long is that really? I ask this because in Algebra when you take the phrase: seven times a number, you literally get an Algebraic expression 7x which means x+x+x+x+x+x+x. Maybe I am way off on this one, but it would be nice to know exactly where I'm wrong without a dozens of paragrapsh filled with speculation.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Now, I haven't asked thirdwitness this myself, but I am pretty sure he is incapable of answering, based on his responses to everyone so far.

    Will he accept properly documented secular historical sources (such as stone tablets with unbroken provenance) as equally valid as the bible record?

  • vomit
    vomit

    You can't be a celebrated anything when you are anonymous!

    I ma not playing hte devils advocate here but actualy you can. There is an Irish poen called "the blind poet" even Irish child is thought it. And if you look at the back on a 5euro it is printed on the black board. The poem, is Anonymous most likley from a homeless person.

    But the WT isnt scholarly (since it doesnt even use Harvard Referencing system) and I dont think any organisations would celebrate anything to do with the WT(maybe a book burning)

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Ok, here are some:

    Since biblical and secular history combined prove that the Jews returned to Judah in 538 B.C., rather than 537 as the Watchtower Society claims, can you provide solid evidence in favor of the 537 date?

    Since you cannot provide any evidence in favor of the 537 date for the return of the Jews, the foundation of Watchtower chronology is built on speculation. How then, can you claim that the Bible is the basis for the "Gentile times" chronology which is supposed to have begun in 607 B.C.?

    Since Genesis and Exodus combined state unambiguously that the entire universe was created in six days, and science says that the universe began about 15 billion years ago, and the Society accepts science over the Bible, how can you claim that Jehovah's Witnesses put the Bible first?

    Since Jehovah's Witnesses demonstrably do not put the Bible first in all cases, how can you consistently claim that Egypt was desolated for 40 years, from 588 through 548 B.C., based only on Ezekiel's prediction, when solid science shows that Egypt was continuously inhabited in that time period?

    Since the Watchtower Society clearly states in the Daniel book that Tyre's "desolation" was not actually for 70 years, which contradicts the Bible's clear indication, how can you claim different?

    2 Chronicles 36:20 clearly states that the Jews would be servants to Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty until the Persians began to rule, which they did in 539 B.C. when Cyrus the Persian conquered Babylon and ended Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty. Jeremiah 27:6,7 clearly states that the Jews would serve Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty until it ended sometime in the rule of Nebuchadnezzar's grandson. This grandson proved to be Belshazzar, who was killed by Cyrus' army when it conquered Babylon. Jeremiah 25:11 clearly states that the Jews and other nations would serve the king of Babylon for 70 years. In view of the preceding scriptures, obviously the Jews would cease to serve Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty when that dynasty ceased to exist in 539 B.C. Jeremiah 25:12 clearly states that when the 70 years of servitude were completed, the king of Babylon would be punished, and in 539 B.C. this prophecy was most certainly fulfilled when Babylon's local king, Belshazzar, was punished by being killed, and the empire's main king, Nabonidus, was removed from his throne. Daniel 5 clearly states that, on the night before Babylon fell, Daniel forewarned Belshazzar that his kingdom was already divided and given to the Persians and the Medes, in line with the above scriptures. In line with the above, Jeremiah 29:10 clearly states that when Babylon's 70 years of supremacy over the Jews and other nations were completed, Jehovah would turn his attention to the Jews and bring them home. In view of all these things, why does the Watchtower Society reject the Bible's clear teaching?

    I'll add more as I think of them.

    AlanF

  • dilaceratus
    dilaceratus

    Thirdwitness--

    You use the terms often, so I would be very interested to hear how, and by what process, you decide when an argument is justified in being termed "logical" or "reasonable." For instance, "Likewise, using logic and reasonableness," from 256.

    [Dilaceratus]

  • KW13
    KW13

    Open your Isaiah book Volume One – turn to pages 253-254.

    "21 Isaiah goes on to prophesy: “It must occur in that day that Tyre must be forgotten seventy years, the same as the days of one king.” (Isaiah 23:15a) Following the destruction of the mainland city by the Babylonians, the island-city of Tyre will “be forgotten.” True to the prophecy, for the duration of “one king”—the Babylonian Empire—the island-city of Tyre will not be an important financial power. Jehovah, through Jeremiah, includes Tyre among the nations that will be singled out to drink the wine of His rage. He says: “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.” (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble. What will then happen to Tyre?" -------- it wasn't so much a question, just a valid point regarding 607 stuff that didnt get an answer

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