Problem with an elder (page 4)

itsallgoodnow

One option is just sit back and do nothing. let the elder do what the elder is going to do. maybe your friend needs a wake-up call.

mama1119

Im not sure I've heard of this" not serving alcohol unless an elder is present policy". I this new, or does the elder just want to be present to get his booze on or what. Is this a real policy???

Mama, The rule is that you cannot serve alcohol unless someone 'responsible' is present. The elder has said that responsible means anyone who is an elder. He is using it to have something else at his nephew. My friend knew this was nonsense, and pointed it out to him, so the elder has changed his tune and is now attacking him on other grounds.

The nephew invited him to the party! He told him he could come if it made him feel better. He declined, but has denied that he was ever invited. Just one of his lies.

jgnat

I've always said that the elders are our best friends. They literally PUSH the unwanted out of the society. Instead of wasting any more time on this vindictive dude, how about helping your friend see the light?

All his responses so far have been like ‘Oh well, what can you do?’ He’s obviously afraid to face the issues, which I can understand, but I’ll keep working on him!

Just think of all those studies, who think the organization is a loving and welcoming group, just like your friend? How many of them will progress to baptism, while he goes through this private hell? Try and help your friend build some new ambitions away from the society. Since he is loving and generous, this quality is likely his key to get out. How about regularly asking him WWJD (What would Jesus Do)? Would Jesus shrug and say, "Oh, well"?

You might want to bring up the False Religion brochure as well. Ask him how well the society represents "True Christianity"?

I'd like to see this young man progress to the point that he admits he's serving an un-Christian organization, and gets "out of her". Before it's too late.

Justice-One

Is there anything we can do about the elder?

Probably not. He is a typical gas pumper with a God complex.

Justice-One

You know, I think I have only met one or two Elders my entire time on the inside, that I did not think were complete jerks. The rest makes me think of white hot pokers and a lot of twisting.

Finally-Free

The rest makes me think of white hot pokers and a lot of twisting.

If nothing else it may teach some of them to quit screwing with people. Ok, maybe a few. For the rest it would probably feed their persecution complex, and they would rejoice.

W

Forscher

Zico,
I've seen this sort of thing before and been a victim of it it as well. Tell your friend that if that elder is on that committee when he meets with it, that he has every right to insist that the elder be removed from the committee and replaced with another. He'll need to point out that the elder has a history which demonstrates that he cannot judge impartially and had no business being included in that committee. His threatening your friend with a committee hearing and then initiating the process is proof of his lack of objectivity.
I've regretted for many years not forcefully asserting that right with one particular committee. It is your friend's right and he'll need to assert it!
Forscher

Zico

Finally-Free - That would be quality! I can't see him going for this though! He's recording the whole thing anyway, so he has to remain as respectful as he can.

jgnat - I have to be careful, because I don't want my friend to know I'm an 'apostate' yet. I need to do it subtly. As I said before, he's completely indoctrinated, and he's one of these people who thinks that shunning people is love. Though this situation is helping him to see the light. A few months ago I wouldn't have been able to say ANYTHING against his beloved Org, the fact that I could tell him that judicial committees are unscriptual, and that he didn't argue is really good progress! When all this is over, I'm hoping that I can slowly discuss other issues with him, and after his experience I'd hope he'll think twice about talking to the elders about any concern.

Next time he says 'Oh well' though, I will definitely ask 'What would Jesus do?' Thanks for that suggestion!

Forscher

By the way,
The elder reminds me of one particular elder I knew. You folks wouldn't happen to live in the western part of North Carolina would you? If so, PM me the answer!
Forscher

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