Jesus Will Go to Hell For This!

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  • V
    V

    Did Jesus convict himself with his own words?

    Jesus says that words alone can have serious consequences:

    (Matthew 5:22) . . .However, I say to YOU that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; but whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Ge·hen´na.

    But when Peter admonished Jesus to back away from his martyrdom, Jesus snapped:

    (Matthew 16:21-23) . . .From that time forward Jesus Christ commenced showing his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the older men and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised up. 22 At this Peter took him aside and commenced rebuking him, saying: "Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this [destiny] at all." 23 But, turning his back, he said to Peter: "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men."

    Not only did Jesus call Peter a deragatory name, he called him "Satan"! How bad can you get?

    Was Peter maliciously betraying Jesus? The Society says:

    Watchtower 2005 3/15 p. 11 par. 6 Living No Longer for Ourselves

    Peter immediately "took [Jesus] aside and commenced rebuking him, saying: ‘Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this destiny at all.’" How did Jesus respond? "Turning his back, he said to Peter: ‘Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.’" What a contrast there was between the two outlooks! Jesus willingly accepted the self-sacrificing course God had assigned him—one that would lead to his death on a torture stake within a few months. Peter recommended a comfortable course. "Be kind to yourself," he said. Peter undoubtedly had good intentions. Still, Jesus rebuked him because Peter had on that occasion allowed himself to be influenced by Satan. Peter had "not God’s mind, but that of men."—Matthew 16:22, 23; footnote.

    On the other hand, regarding name-calling they say:

    Watchtower 1978 4/15 p. 22 The Sermon on the Mount—Prolonged Anger Can Be Deadly

    Jesus then went a step farther, saying: "Whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Gehenna." (Matt. 5:22c) The Greek word rendered "you despicable fool" is moré. A similar-sounding Hebrew term (moreh) means "rebellious," "mutinous." Whereas raca suggests intellectual stupidity, moré designates one as morally worthless, an apostate and rebel against God. In his Hebrew and Talmudical Exercitations, John Lightfoot points out: "‘Raca’ denotes indeed ‘morosity, and lightness of manners and life:’ but ‘fool’ judgeth bitterly of the spiritual and eternal state, and decreeth a man to certain destruction."

    Persons who would denounce their fellow in such a way would be "liable to the fiery Gehenna." Here Jesus refers to the Valley of Hinnom (Hebrew, Gei Hinnom) near Jerusalem, which became a garbage dump where fires continually burned to consume refuse and carcasses that were thrown into it. According to the Greek Lexicon by Liddell and Scott, in that valley "the corpses of the worst malefactors were burnt." If the fires of Gehenna did not wholly consume those carcasses, worms and maggots that bred there would finish the job.—Isa. 66:24; Mark 9:47, 48.

    Jesus used Gehenna as a fitting symbol of eternal destruction. Since a person who would condemn his fellow as a "despicable fool" worthy of Gehenna would be desiring everlasting destruction for that one, from God’s standpoint the one uttering such a condemnation brings that severe sentence upon himself.—Compare Deuteronomy 19:17-19.

    Opinions anyone?

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Don't forget Matthew 23:17, where Jesus calls the Pharisees "blind fools" (same Greek word môros as in 5:22).

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    I just love the obvious references to hell that they just ignore, gloss over, or outright lie about...

    HE DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID! HE DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID! HE DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID! HE DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID! HE DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID! HE DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID! HE DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID! HE DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID!

    morons...

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    I never did trust that guy. Now I see my instincts were right! Thanks, V!

  • vomit
    vomit

    In Finnish Satan and Satan Grandfather(berkaede) are the 2 wors swear words in the language.

  • Inquisitor
    Inquisitor

    mkr32208

    Do JW's really ignore that the there is a hell? Or do they merely take a different view to what hell contains? There is a difference.

    If you're criticising their denial of a fiery hell, it is worth noting that they are not the only ones who think that way.

    Words of the late Pope John Paul II in 1999:

    3. The images of hell that Sacred Scripture presents to us must be correctly interpreted. They show the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God. Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy. This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes the truths of faith on this subject: “To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called ‘hell’” (n. 1033).

    “Eternal damnation”, therefore, is not attributed to God's initiative because in his merciful love he can only desire the salvation of the beings he created. In reality, it is the creature who closes himself to his love. Damnation consists precisely in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person and confirmed with death that seals his choice for ever. God’s judgement ratifies this state.

    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/1999/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_28071999_en.html

    INQ

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    I criticize anyone who buys into this whole religion/christian foolishness, I ESPECIALLY criticize those that try to change what the man said! I don't care if he's a pope a GB member or some ranting jack a## on the street! Jesus CLEARLY believe in a burning fiery hell!

  • Inquisitor
    Inquisitor
    Jesus CLEARLY believe in a burning fiery hell

    Perhaps you're right.. I haven't really re-examined those texts to decide on them yet.So much de-programming to do.

    INQ

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    Well I've only recently done it (say in the last year) so there's no hurry. Last time I looked the bible wasn't going anywere... Worst luck!

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades


    MKR32208. You might want to read, "Misquoting Jesus", the story behind who changed the Bible and why. By Bart D. Ehrman.

    Blueblades

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