Need help locating WT destroying U.S.Buildings

by Tallyman 38 Replies latest jw friends

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  Tallyman

  Those pictures show what GOD will do, not the WTBS & JWs will do.

  Hey Wiz,

  Last Tuesday, when pictures of the jetliners rained death down on thousands at the World Trade Centers, were aired worldwide,
  we then saw televised images of Palestinians Celebrating in the streets!
  These Palestinians did not launch the jetliner attacks killing THOUSANDS of Americans,
  but they GLORIED in it, just as jehovah's Witnesses are shown
  doing in their own literature.

  The Palestinians were not screaming and giving praise to the terrorists.
  They were shouting:
  "Praise Allah!"
  The jehovah's Witnesses are singing in their Death Celebrations images:
  "Praise jAH!"

  Different murdergods - SAME Level of Celebration of Horrible Death
  on the part of the Followers of these murdergods.

  Hey Tallyman maybe you should go after the Catholic church too, they condoned the attempted Genocide of 12 million, 6 million being Jews. Also remember Rhwanda they abdicted their responsibility their too. But I guess those things aren't rememebered because where talking about Blacks and Jews. Or as one person mentioned, they basically said they were sorry. boo hoo.

  Hey Wiz,
  I got to go with the Numbers, man.
  The jehovah's Witnesses are fervently praying for, preaching about, portraying in their propaganda, the Genocide of SIX BILLION+!
  Sorry,
  gotta go with the numbers, man.
  (and time is a restraining factor, too - I only have so much of it)
  And I've got to eXpose MY former Kult.
  ...too much on my plate, already.

  Well, 'cuse me. Nature calls.
  I need to take a Wiz!

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  thewiz

  OK, I see your angle, I understand the point your making, however, I don't agree with it.

  I have been hot against the WTBS myself for other reasons as well, but no one ever makes a valid arguement in haste or anger. I am only saying to slow down and think about what you are saying. It could have detrimental consequences.

  Your fanatical bend will only hurt the cause for truth. Once they say the FBI read your language and intent, it might be you that gets put in a straight-jacket. Don't hurt the cause of truth. Be constructive and establish a logical solid base, not based on anger or hate.

  And providing excuses for something the church actually DID do and said that they did in GOD's name, and insults is not very productive. You make yourself sound like a child. How mature.

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  Also in the context of this arguement who is actaully doing the "genocide" you speak of? Is it the JWs or the WTBS? -no I don't think so. It is GOD! And NEVER has GOD commanded christians to go out and kill, he has NOT given christians the authority. He has givn that responsiblity to his enthroned son.

  As for your request that people provide you with images statements, etc. to make your case to the FBI, trust me, they are aware of it. Materials provided to the Library of Congress is also screened for content, especially seditious treasonous remarks against the USA and her allies.

  But then again I know a few JWs who work there as well as the Dept of Justice here in D.C. If they are the ones screening their own pubs or other docs that would be compromising. But the shear volume of copyrighted material that gets submitted daily to the LC and or dept. of Justice would make that nearly impossible.

  We live in a free country. As long as a group is not providing a direct physical threat to a government or entity it is not considered a threat. Also, many presidents of the USA themselves have acknowledged the term Armageddon and believe it, how would you then condemn JWs and the WTBS for something that US presidents acknowledge as a "probable" event. If not now, then in the future.
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  noidea

  Tallyman,

  Think, Think, Think about what you are trying to accomplish and what will be accomplished by your actions.

  So many on this board would love to be the one that brings the WBTS down single handed. (The Hero)

  If taken seriously what will your actions accomplish?

  Yes, they may bring some heat to the society.

  Yes, it will bring persecution among many, many innocent people who truly feel in their heart what they are doing is right. (something you can be proud of ?)

  This is what you will accomplish.....

  Jw's are waiting on pins and needles for the government to turn on them. They will lift up their heads and rejoice.

  It will strengthen their faith in an org. who has told them that this is what will happen.

  It will confirm to them that the org. is the true prophet of Jehovah and to stick with them no matter what is brought out about them ( being connected with the UN, harboring child abuse among other things)

  It will close the eyes and minds of those that would eventually see things for what they are. Why?? Because you have helped the org. in accomplishing the biggest sign that they and only they are Jehovah's chosen people.

  You Tallyman will be helping to fulfill their Bible prophecy.

  I'm sure that the org. will be sending you a thank you note any day. Be sure and keep a check your mail so you can share it will the DB.
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  noidea

  princecharmant,

  Way below the belt and completely un-called for.
  If you don't agree with tallyman then state your reasons why and move on. What you said was cruel and inhumane and I think you owe a huge apology to tally.
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  Winston

  Noidea and Wiz,

  There may be another upside to this that you need to concider.

  If the Society receives a little heat from the US government, they will probably compromise more, like they always do when their interest are concerned.

  They may stop printing such pictures and let up on the threats of anihilation of all that don't join their religion.

  This in turn could lead to more comming out of mind control, when they see the compromises, and are under less threatening.

  And anything to keep those Society lawyers busy is good in my book.

  How long have you LIVED and how long has God LIVED?
  1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to .000000000000000000000000000000001
  Who is like God?
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  noidea

  Winston,
  I agree that it could happen that way, it may help them then to lighten up on the images of destruction in future publications but in no way are they going to lighten up on the prophecy of the government turning on them.
  What they may loose in graphics they will make up for at the meetings.
  Rest assured they will not compromise on this issue they would loose total control. It would cause them to loose face and would pull the carpet out from under their own feet.
  With so much information coming out about them, that is the rope needed to hang themselves.
  I feel that any repercussions from the government especially in view of what has just happened this past week is just what they need to tighten the grip on those that are already under their influence not to mention those that have lingering doubts and haven't made a decision.
  The future visuals may not be as suggestive, In regards to the past visuals they have already printed, that damage has already been done. Think about it what are they going to do have a recall of all their literature?
  The message will never change it is the one thing that will keep their grasp on their members. (FEAR)
  All Jw's look to their persecution from the government as proof that they are the chosen ones, if the Org. were to compromise that they will loose everything.
  Only by them receiving this persecution can they keep their grasp, it is the one thing that they need in their corner.
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  Tallyman

  noidea ,

  I'm going to Whiz right past Wiz, because you seem worth responding to...

  I'm fail to understand why you and a few others feel it is not wise to show as many people - ordinary people, lurkers, government officals, younger jWs who don't know the history of their Kult - these images of jehovah's Witnesses reveling in the Destruction of their fellow man.

  This needs to be told. This needs to be shown. Now, more than ever.

  And WHAT IN THE WORLD is the Problem?
  These images are Watchtower-produced and created. The artwork/photos/drawings are theirs. They hawked this stuff. They studied this stuff. They distributed this stuff as much as they could to the general public in times past...
  and the last I heard - The Watchtower was PROUD of it!

  What IS the problem?

  I'm helping them SHOW their stuff.
  Why do you think it wiser to Hide these images?

  Persecution? To a jW?
  A door slammed in their face in a Saturday morning door to door
  canvassing of a neighborhood is PERSECUTION to them.
  It don't take much AT ALL to feed their persecution-komplex.
  And they thrive on that.
  It validates them.
  Makes them "martyrs"...
  And shows how Damned Idiotic they are.

  Younger jW pups who have never seen these horrible pictures may make the leap so many others have made on the Internet - Right Out of the Kult. GOOD!

  If the FBI and other Government Agencies take a hard look at the "We Hate America and Death To America" Watchtower Society... well and good. Maybe charges of sedition will be leveled against them again, as was the case during World War I and the Watchtower Leaders Bastards, will be tried and convicted and thrown in jail.
  Again, GOOD!
  Get those Kult Kriminals off the street.

  Do you think convicting them on the 'Harboring Pedophiles' issue would be a bad thing? And putting those responsible in jail, a bad thing? Would the jWs see that as Persecution? Some idiots would. It would wise up others, and they could finally make their Exit from the Kult.

  I had a mother who two sons died write me today, and fully supported the posting of these Extremely Disturbing Watchtower Images to show the public, because her two sons had been psychologically damaged my viewing them.
  Here is a website of a Documentary Maker who is doing a full profile of her family's story:
  * http://kohlproductions.com/htm/moore/onepage.htm

  I've even had some jWs email me and moan and groan that a list of Watchtower quotes I had put on my website was a terrible thing for me to do... that I had "manipulated" the quotes and "altered" them to make the Watchtower look bad, and all I did was format word-for-word quotes from Watchtower literature and post them in chronological order.
  Here is that list, The List, which is so disturbing to jWs:
  * http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/the_list.html

  I wish I could take credit for that compilation of quotes, but someone else, who has an abundance of old WT Literature did it and I just acted as this person's messenger.

  noidea,

  I know you've heard the expression:
  A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words, right?

  I'm letting these Watchtower pictures doing the talking, the "preaching" that jWs wanted them to do...

  These pictures really need no commentary.

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  julien

  Tallyman you should be careful with what you write, the WTBTS is liable to misquote you like so many other sources:

  ie,
  Excerpt from The Dangers of Apostacy :
  "A prominent JW.com poster 'Tallyman' and known apostate said 'Need help ... destroying U.S. Buildings'..
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  Tatiana

  Talleyman, I am behind you 100 percent! Thank you for the link. I have copied a great deal of it to give to my niece. I think we have to remember that we all have family who are still jws. Most of us anyway. And one day we will see one of them die because of the ban on blood, or organ transplants, or maybe even commit suicide because of being disfellowshipped. Don't laugh, I know this to be the case. Some personally and others from dear friends.
  My best friend since I was 12 stayed in the truth. She had a daughter, Danielle, 11 years old, who needed blood to live. Her and her husband refused. The courts intervened and ordered blood to be given. I visited her in Vero Beach, Fla. After we had come from the meeting, do you know what she told me? That she was so happy the courts intervened and her daughter was alive. She said she couldn't go against the teachings because she knew she would be disfellowshipped, but that she prayed every night for something to happen to save her daughter.

  If the courts had not intervened, she would have been too scared to go against the GB. And her daughter would be dead. What kind of sick brainwashing is this? And I wonder how many others feel the same way, but are too scared of being dfs to take a stand. BTW, this was the same friend I sat in the hospital with for 4 days when she was 15 and I was 13, watching her father die because he couldn't have blood and a liver transplant. The sight of him is seared into my brain forever.

  And I know that the daughter of a friend of mine committed suicide because she thought she was going to get dfs. She was only 21. A pioneer. A shining example at the KH. A young brother in the hall confessed that they had kissed. The elders called a meeting. Wanted to know all the details. Was it a light kiss, or did they use their tongues? Made such a fuss about it, and of course one of the elders wives couldn't keep her mouth shut, and soon it was all over the hall.
  And this poor, young sister killed herself as a result. When her mother asked for the records of the meetings, they refused to give them to her. They probably interrogated her unmercifully. Over a damn kiss!

  So, in my humble opinion, we can't do enough to get anyone we can to see the light and get the hell out of this religion. My niece has a 11 month old. Do you think I want to see her die because of this stupid blood law? My sister is already dead because of this religion. I'll be damned if I'll just sit quietly by and not do anything to try and save my niece and her baby.

  Once again, Talley, I applaude you. Take a bow.

  April

  "Love never dies." Voivodul Vlad Draculea (from Bram Stoker's Dracula-1992)
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  Tallyman

  April,

  I'm behind you 100% in your sentiments.
  In the 20 years I was in that Evil Kult, I know some of the SAME stories you just cited. Only the names are changed.

  Already, the Weenies and Wussies, the Gutless Wonders here on this board are coming out of the WatchtowerWoodwork... like "chappy" and "dannybear"... who call me a "Dangerous Extremist"!

  ...for posting pictures RIGHT OUT OF WATCHTOWER LITERATURE, for chrissakes!!

  What they don't realize... is that THIS has been WAR against the Watchtowerkult for a longtime now... and they'd rather 'Duck For Cover'.

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