To Babyboo

by finalcall 10 Replies latest jw friends

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  finalcall

  Hello Babyboo

  I was a JW for 38 years and was blind to many of the things that go on inside. I never really began to see or acknowledge these things until I was on my way out. Yes, there is a lot of hypocrisy in the JW religion.

  My own dad is a practicing alcoholic yet still remains an elder. I knew a few elders in Sacramento, Ca, that drove to Stockton Ca, (about 40 miles) to go to bars and do their drinking so as not to get caught by local publishers.

  I also have a son that was physically abused by his baby-sitter, who is an elder’s daughter, the mother pioneered often, so when we went to the elders nothing ended happening. We went to the authorities and as of right now the case is still under investigation but two witnesses that knew about it deny it, because according to WT doctrine if they admit knowing about it they are just as guilty as the abuser. The daughter always worked around little children and at the time worked part-time at an elementary school. While the matter is under investigation she is unable to work around little kids, which is one thousand times more than the WTS did. My son started getting migraines and throwing up and we had no idea this was why. The Doctors looked for a physical reason, so they were unable to help.

  I had to come to grips with the fact that the JWs were no better than any other religion and this hurt because many in my family are JWs. In fact they are worse than many others because they are just about the only religion I know that proclaim to be a Christian religion yet do not let people eat the bread and drink the wine (communion). Another name for this is called “shutting up the kingdom.”

  You have an urge to serve Jehovah, do not confuse that urge with going back to meetings. You have had a taste of their wickedness, Jesus is our mediator not the JWs, you do not need them to serve God. This is one of the scriptures that helped me:

  John 5:39,40 “You are searching the Scriptures because you think that by means of them you will have everlasting life; and these are the very ones that bear witness about me. And yet you do not want to come to me that you may have life.”

  We go to the meetings studying, and studying, and studying yet never having Jesus as our mediator. We go to their many, many books for answers ( Ecc 12:11 “ As regards anything besides these my son, take a warning: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh”.). We let them become our mediator. So when we have an urge to serve Jehovah we feel the only way to do this is go to the only mediator we are truly use to and that is the WTS. It takes time to break away and learn to go to Christ w/o the WTS.
  I hope this will be a beginning of a source of comfort for you.

  May Jah bless your efforts.
  Finalcall
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  FrightMare

  From your post alone, you seem narrow-minded. What if you were simply in a screwed up congregation? Would that mean that every other is likewise? You criticize the actions of some, but not the doctrine. What do you think about the doctrines of the jay dubs?
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  individuals wife

  Frightmare - How on earth do you come to the conclusion that final call is narrow-minded? All I can see is a genuine concern about another person and some very good advice? Why are you looking for the bad in people... oh, yes, JW training, of course....

  'Screwed up congregations' are not that difficult to find - there are plenty of them around, take your pick. And as finalcall was a JW for 38 years I am sure that they are well qualified to criticise and know what they are talking about - you only have to read many of the posts on this board to realise that hypocrisy exists in the organisation on a huge scale. As well as knowing about elders that go 40 miles to go to bars I am also aware of an elder who travels 25 miles to go to a betting office. And these men are supposed to be setting an example?

  It is not just the actions of some that can be criticized but also the doctrines - again there is much proof on this board of that, enough surely to satisfy anybody.

  To finalcall - I thank you for your insightful post and appreciate your comments - I found the latter half very encouraging.
  

  It takes time to break away and learn to go to Christ w/o the WTS.

  How true that is, and this is just what I am trying to achieve at the moment, trying to stand on my own two feet and examine my faith for myself, not through the pages of WT publications.
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  finalcall

  Dear Frightmare

  When I was in the org, yes I narrow minded. I would not acknowledge the truth about what was really going inside the org, always blaming it on the imperfect brothers, and the famous "wait on Jehovah."

  Then it hit me one day, after nearly a third of a century waiting for Jehovah to take care of all these bad things going on and that is,,,,
  Jehovah doesn't clean a house that does not belong to him, but he will try to pull those individuals out who belong to him. We just do not like to believe that to be the answer.

  If you believe me to be talking about one cong you are mistaken. I know two cases about 15 years apart in different congs, when two elders not knowing each other went through the same experience and that is:

  While their teen-age girls were in high school they both had abortions. Were they disfellowshipped for taking a life and for having at least one of the parent’s support (in each case one of the parents went with the daughter). Any so-called worldly person that spoke of it was basically called a liar and were not believed, after all the ones denying it ever happened were "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES."

  Frightmare if you think these things are not going on, you are the one who is narrow-minded.

  Individuals Wife------Thank you for your comments. Life without the WTS can be truly beautiful, but the transition from WTS to Christ can be very difficult.

  May Jah bless you

  finalcall
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  dungbeetle

  <"What if you were simply in a screwed up congregation">

  Somebody reeeallly needs to read their Watchtowers...

  Jehovah's Witnesses are a union, they are united, they are world-wide unitedd, blah blah blah

  That kind of rules out 'screwed up congreagations'

  Oh the pain...the pain..of not having one's cake and EATING IT TOO!!!!

  dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
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  Farkel

  FrightMare,

  : What if you were simply in a screwed up congregation?

  She was.

  : Would that mean that every other is likewise?

  I went to ten or twelve congregations as a dub and they were all screwed up. So let me ask you this: how many screwed up congregations do you think it takes to make up a screwed up religion?

  Also, if a congregation is screwed up, then the elders as shepherds are responsible and they are screwed up. If they are screwed up, the CO is screwed up as he is their shepherd. If the CO is screwed up the DO is screwed up and if the DO is screwed up, the Branch is screwed up. If the Branch is screwed up then the Service Department is screwed up and if THEY are screwed up, just who is responsible for THEM being screwed up? Can you guess, or should I provide you with Flash Cards to help you out?

  : You criticize the actions of some, but not the doctrine. What do you think about the doctrines of the jay dubs?

  It's a total pile of anti-Christian bullshit. Would you like me to explain that, too?

  Farkel

  "When in doubt, duck!"
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  FrightMare

  If you're not part of the JW organization, what are you part of? According to Matthew 25:31-46, only those who were actively supporting Christ's "Brothers" will be considered sheep. How are you supporting his brothers? Who are his brothers?
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  LittleToe

  Hey guys - drop the animosity!!!
  Keep your eye on the ball, because you are NOT helping Babyboo with this kind of talk.
  For one, I'm glad finalcall had some experience in this area, and has contributed something for the individual in question.
  What the heck do you think you're doing? She can get that kind of talk from the other threads.

  LT
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  AGuest

  Dearest Frightmare... may you have peace... and may I respond? Thank you. (Sorry, FC... I know this is your thread and I am not trying to 'hijack' it, but only answer a question. But I know that YOU understand that...)

  Frightmare, you ask:

  How are you supporting his brothers? Who are his brothers?

  I wish to let you know that Finalcall IS one of Christ's brothers, by means of anointing with holy spirit... AND, for you benefit... he began partaking in the organization QUITE some time ago. It was when HE... went to THEM... with what he had been given by the Spirit (according to the "Insight" Book, are not ALL anointed members of the 'faithful and discreet slave'?)

  He did as I did, attempted to tell them... no, SHOW them... FROM THE BIBLE... where they had taken a 'left' turn. And at different times, and in different locations, we... PROFESSED anointed members of supposedly the 'visible representation of the Lord on earth'... were told to either SHUT UP... or leave.

  May I refer you to Amos 7:12, 13? Thank you.

  When we refused to do either, we were escorted out, by means of disfellowshipping; me in early 1998, Finalcall and his wife, later that year.

  Now, I know that you might be skeptical as to what Finalcall, and I and others like us had to say to the organization, and where we got such 'authority'. May I then direct you to Acts 2:17, 18, which states what is to occur BEFORE that spoken of in Acts 2:19? We were given a 'message' to deliver to the Household of God, Israel. And we did, 'just so'.

  Now, you asked, "Who is his brothers?" Did not my Lord SAY that "he that does the will OF MY FATHER"... is his brother? And so, we HEARD that will... which was STOP putting your trust in earthling man, but rather, LISTEN to the one 'who speaks of [us] from the heavens'.

  Hebrews 12:25

  And it was TURN AROUND, STOP JUDGING AND CONDEMING, but rather RELEASE... and SHOW LOVE.

  Now, WE heard... and WE obeyed... and, as members of the Body of Christ, and his 'brothers'... WE 'did the will of [his] Father.

  And so, now, let me ask YOU... and you tell ME, if you know:

  What are they... and what are YOU... doing... to 'support' Christ's brothers? Please know that supporting the 'golden calf' that they CALL "Jehovah"... the 'organization'... which they set up to worship because THEY believe the master 'is delaying' in much the same way as the Israelites thought MOSES was 'delaying'... and doing under the false auspices of being 'the truth'... is NOT 'supporting' Christ's brothers.

  Because they are NOT the 'truth'... for there is only ONE 'Truth'. My Lord, the Son of God, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. HE... is the Way, the TRUTH... and the life. Truly, there is no WHERE to 'go away' to... but there IS One to 'go away' to. And HE... has sayings... of everlasting life.

  I bid you peace.

  A slave of Christ,

  SJ
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  finalcall

  Hello AGuest

  Thak you for the reply. You know I am not a very fast at typing (keyboarding). You did not hijack my thread, I appreciated the assistance.
  Thank you again

  May Jah continue to bless you, servant to Israel and the people.