The Ark of the Covenant And Its Angels

by jayhawk1 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    I believe the Ark of the Covenant was a real object. Too many Bible writers, write about it for it to never have existed. But I got to thinking about the gold Cherubs (Angels) on top of the Ark of the Covenant. Why did God require Cherubs on the Ark when he stated that no man was to make an image of God or any heavenly creature? I wonder about the Tabernacle and later the Temple in Jerusalem as well. Did they have Angels and other heavenly creatures on the walls? Also the snake Moses made to heal those who were bitten by snakes, why?

    It seems to me there is a double standard. Feel free to set me strait.

  • dvw
    dvw

    yep, i agree. ive always felt that way about the ark and the uma and the thurman, or what ever they were. seemed like divination to me.

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    I've just got to say that I don't think the fact that many bible writers wrote about something makes it real! I mean they drew of each other constantly!

    How many of them mentioned the flood?

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1


    How many of them mentioned Noah's Flood? Off of the top of my head, Genesis and the a few of the New Testament Books talk about the Flood.

    The Ark of the Covenant was spoken of throughout the Old Testament. I don't believe it had any special power, like being able to kill you by looking at it. But I do believe a box with two gold Cherubs can and did exist.

    The difference between Noah's Flood and the Ark of the Covenant would be, The Ark of the Covenant is capable of being manufactured. The Flood is simply impossible based on Earth Sciences.

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    But the fact that it COULD be constructed does not follow that it MUST have been!

    For what it's worth I think it was just a box nothing special at all I think myth grows over time! Just as the dimensions of Solomons temple from the bible give it a floor plan of some 2500 square feet the legend has grown out of all bounds to the stated facts!

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    As to the double standard it's a HUGE double standard! It would be laughable if people didn't take this $hit so seriously!

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Btw the Biblical "cherubs" are not angels. See for instance http://www.bibleorigins.net/CherubimOrigins.html

    How far the official aniconism ("no-image" character) of Yhwh worship can be traced back is still a hotly debated question. Here's an interesting review dealing with this subject among others: http://www.questia.com/PM.qst;jsessionid=G9tTH76FvfSdFrGy2rXv8Tyfc23tkQNdWqz40jm2PZBbJ3vLlGvp!1608493095?a=o&d=5002072876

  • Inkie
    Inkie

    I believe the commandment was not just to not to make images but rather not to make images AND worship them. Check it out to make sure. Obviously, Jah didn't have any problem with images in their proper place--but not for worship. As for the copper or bronze serpent that Moses made (Numbers 21:6) and held up for the Israelites to see and be saved (which image represented Christ--John 3:14), it was not to be worshiped, but to be looked at or to for salvation. Later as time passed by, the Israelites transgressed the law and began to "worship" the image and thus it had to be destroyed. The problem was not the image in and of itself, but rather the worshiping of the image that was the problem.

    Inkie

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Daniken check out this book for some interesting thoughts about what the ark of the covenant might have been. A radio transmitter.

  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    An interesting series of articles about the history of Israel based on evidence of modern archeology can be read at: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho1.htm
    Here is an excerpt from page 3:
    "The last mention of the ark in the Bible is a sneering “I told you so” kind of comment by Jeremiah who writes:
    'And it shall be that when you have multiplied and increased in the land in those days, says the Lord, they shall no more say, The ark of the covenant of the Lord. It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they miss or visit it, nor shall it be repaired or made again.'
    "That is certainly a bizarre dismissal of simply the most important item in Jewish history! (At least, according to the Bible.) We will soon see why Jeremiah had this attitude toward the ark. But, the point is, he is clearly talking about it in terms that indicate it had been broken or needed to be 'made again.' Almost certainly, this suggests that the Babylonians destroyed the ark that existed at the time of the kingdom of Judah along with everything else. What is strange is the implication that it was not of sufficient value for them to even cart it off or it would have been mentioned in the objects that were specifically named as having been taken from the temple. And for those who might wish to think that the lack of mention indicates some major secret or conspiracy, allow me to point out all the many confabulations that exist in the Bible have one single objective: to inflate the importance of Yahweh. They do this by using anything and everything as lessons to whip Yahweh’s people into line. If there was any way whatsoever that the loss of the ark could have been used to induce guilt, I think it would have been. What seems clear is that a substitute ark was all that existed in Judah from some point in history. Thus, at the time of the exile, the loss of this substitute ark was no big deal."
    Dave

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