by BlackSwan of Memphis 36 Replies latest jw friends
From an anti-evolution creationist standpoint, the question is where did your God get the concept of good and bad from?Oh excellent question.
That question would be good if God were part of His own creation, as God is not suject to His natural law nor His moral law. He created both.
DD, you're being disingenuous with this nonsense double-talk.
By the logic being employed in this thread, if your God created good and bad, he must have already had the capacity to conceive of them when he was brought into existence, so your God's creator must have that capacity, and your God's creator's creator must have that capacity too, ad infinitum.
If your God can have invented these simple concepts, then humans can too. These concepts are by there very existence in our culture understandable and comprehensible to us, there's nothing magical about them.
By the logic being employed in this thread, if your God created good and bad, he must have already had the capacity to conceive of them when he was brought into existence, so your God's creator must have that capacity, and your God's creator's creator must have that capacity too, ad infinitum.
Sceptic
My God created logic (laws of logic) and is suject to no law nor was He ever created.
Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong, and tell me you know some spiritual laws that God must abide by. Tell me why God must abide by any law.
D Dog
DD I cannot tell you that you are wrong, because what you are saying is outside the realm of scientific enquiry, there is no evidence or facts from which to draw a conclusion. Without evidence we can still apply Occam's Razor and find your hypothesis wanting, but that would not be proof.
I can say that you sound ridiculous, you might as well have said "An eight winged Donald Duck created the universe. No I don't need to explain where he came from, he's just there and that's that".
...because what you are saying is outside the realm of scientific enquiry,
Yea, kind of like life from nonlife. I guess you think God has to abide by the "realm of scientific enquiry". So far, you, like many things, are "outside the realm of scientific enquiry". We can't even define "life", let alone figure out how it started.
there is no evidence or facts from which to draw a conclusion.
Did you ever stop to think that the universe and every thing in it, may be the evidence you're looking for.
I can say that you sound ridiculous, you might as well have said "An eight winged Donald Duck created the universe. No I don't need to explain where he came from, he's just there and that's that".
I can say all kinds of things about you to, but it won't change anything. If you want to believe you were created in the image of an "eight winged Donald Duck" go ahead.
I'm not sure how sin and morality are changing or adaptable concepts when viewed through the context of any religion? It seems to me that adjusting a faith based value system to better accomidate any outside factors would weaken the entire value system. What is it that makes us want to justify our beliefs with those that originate outside them? Just a question.
| Did you ever stop to think that the universe and every thing in it, may be the evidence you're looking for. |
The universe and everything in it can be explained without needing to invoke an omnipotent god as an explanation. The laws of logic, invented, as you claim, by your god, tell us not to prefer a more complex hypothesis when a simpler one explains the evidence, because the more complex hypothesis has more assumptions built in, each of which might turn out to be incorrect (Occam's Razor). The universe as evidence for your god(s), or anyone else's god(s), is entirely non-compelling.
P.S. Life from non-life is a very active subject of scientific enquiry.
I mis-read the title as a typo, I thought 'evolution creationists' was supposed to mean something like 'evolutionists/creationists'. Having re-read the OP I can see what 'evolution creationists' is intended to mean. Apologies to BlackSwan for taking the thread off-topic.
The universe and everything in it can be explained without needing to invoke an omnipotent god as an explanation.
Really? I'm all ears.
I can sure tell most of you do not live on a ranch. Even the dumb animals have a since of order and the other animal punish the ones that go against that order.. I live on a Ranch and see this every day.
