A JW's view of JW's who refuse to shun

Honesty

You are both committing a serious sin here even though you don't realize it.

You are committing the same sin that King Saul committed or that Miriam and Aaron committed. You are acting presumptuously and going against Jehovah's arrangement.

You can't have it both ways. Either Jehovah has an earthly organization or he doesn't. Either this IS his earthly organization or it isn't. Yes it is made up of imperfect men, but those imperfect men have Jehovah's direction. If you don't believe that then you might as well disassciate yourselves and be done with it.

To speak against Jehovah's appointed representatives is apostacy. And it it the sin of presumptuousness to believe that it is your place to make decisions that Jehovah has assigned to those who have "spiritual qualifications". The damage you are doing or may be doing to the brother or sister who is disfellowshipped may be immense.

What you are failing to realize is that Agape love is not just a feeling. It involves work. AND sacrifice. Agape love works what is good toward our brothers. That doesn't mean that we take on a job that is NOT ours to take on. Saul did that when he offered the sacrifice that Samuel was supposed to offer and it lost him his kingship. Jehovah does NOT look upon presumptous ones with favor. To be presumptuous is to be the opposite of humble. To be the opposite of meek. To be proud and to feel that YOU know better (like Eve did).

Or to be like Miriam and speak against the ones that Jehovah has given a very important job to. She was struck with leprousy for her presumptousness. Pay strict attention to yourselves. You are in danger.

Rather telling, I say.

AlmostAtheist

>>Yes it is made up of imperfect men, but those imperfect men have Jehovah's direction.

Didn't JR Brown from the Watchtower recently publicly acknowledge that they DON'T have Jehovah's Direction? I believe he mentioned that in an interview with our own LDH.

You [or rather, "they"].. um.. can't have it both ways. :-)

Dave

You can't have it both ways. Either Jehovah has an earthly organization or he doesn't. Either this IS his earthly organization or it isn't. Yes it is made up of imperfect men, but those imperfect men have Jehovah's direction. If you don't believe that then you might as well disassciate yourselves and be done with it.

OK, this is just a wild guess, but I'm going to go with choice #2 here.

Cog

I quit!

I feel sorry for the guy who wrote this. He sounds like he really believes it.

To speak against Jehovah's appointed representatives is apostacy

I got a kick out of the above line. If you ask this guy where he got the information that shows they are Jehovah's appointed reps he would tell you from them. There is no evidence Jehovah appointed them other than they say he did.

Funchback

I was wondering why I was diagnosed with leprosy. I guess I better stop speaking against Dubbies.

Arthur

Oh Honesty

I don't know how you do it. I've mentioned it before; that I could never stand going into those pro-JW chat rooms and web sites. Every time I stumble upon these trite babblings of JWs, I feel as though I've stepped in dog crap with my bear feet.

Effervescent

Agape love is not just a feeling. It involves work. AND sacrifice.

Gee... If it's so much trouble I think I'd have to say nevermind... I have plenty of people who will love me for who I am with no effort required... I wouldn't want their brand of "love". This sounds more like some kind of crash diet or boot camp.

So you're in danger eh? I've always heard there's a lot of risk in treating people with basic human kindness. Look out the next time you hold open a door for someone... lightning bolts might get you!

yaddayadda

No doubt the Pharisees would have told the good samaritan that he was acting against God's arrangement by helping that beaten up guy lying in the road.

Gill

I always made a point of speaking to DF'd ones!

I remember talking to a young DF'd girl on my way home from school with the children once, even with sister nose in the air Elderette beside me. I was a real brainwashed believing dubbie but still could NOT shun! It's inhumane!!!!

She told me off, of course! She said that the girl had been told not to attempt to talk to any JWs and she would have to inform the elders and they would have to go back to her and remind her not to attempt to speak to JWs in good standing. I was a touch embarrassed at the time as I had my Lotto tickets in my handbag and knew I was no better, in the eyes of JWs, than the DF'd young woman.

I also made a point of talking to the girl even more, as I knew her circumstances were difficult.

I can understand why a JW would come up with such 'dire warnings' against talking to the DF'd. However, I recommend it to all JWs! It gives you a nice warm glow inside, like the stirrings of rebellion against an evil parent!

Now, how do I get onto that particular board. I'd like to have some fun myself?

fullofdoubtnow

The damage you are doing or may be doing to the brother or sister who is disfellowshipped may be immense.

So it doesn't damage them to totally ignore them, and refuse to even acknowledge their existence? Everyone knows how damaging shunning can be. I'd think that it woudl give the df'd one some relief and comfort if a few jws would think outside the box for once and treat them like normal human beings instead of lepers.