2 Pioneers said they agree the WT is a mess!

by LovesDubs 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • LovesDubs
    LovesDubs

    I came home to find two sisters standing in my driveway. They looked at the signs on my car (I do house watching for snow birds here in FL) and wanted to know how to get into the business. And after I explained all that I said "Its a really good business if you are PIONEERING." And they both like came out of their skin and looked at each other and one said "and you know this BUZZWORD HOW??" and came over and hugged me and thought I was a sister of course. I said you may not want to hug me when you know who I am and that I am disassociated. And damned if they didnt both say that they didnt care that I was and that they werent "like that" and they stood there and talked to me for a good half an hour. I was astounded...but at the same time I was very proud of them for not bolting and running and judging as they are akin to doing. Both of them were sick of the hypocrisy around them in the org. Both of them had family members who left. They were compassionate, real and not at all condescending to me and they totally understood why I would have left. They of course still were of the opinion that the end is near...and no amount of "even the son doesnt know the date" would sway them from that...and one was like "well you make these sweeping statements about us like we are ALL like those people who stumbled you" and then she said "...and we have the truth and no other churches do and.." So I stopped her cold there..."Who is making the sweeping statements now?" I know what you teach, I know what you know..I know that what you are doing right here right now with me is forbidden and that you go door to door telling people that if you arent a JW you are dead and under satan...so who is making sweeping statements now?" Well she says..."THEY all go to WAR and THEY all THINK they have the truth but they all KILL for their god and".... you know the schtick. She was getting frustrated with me it was obvious but I wasnt going to leave them with the impression that I was a return visit..one even said that she thought they had made some "progress here" and I said um NO. That door has closed, that ship has sailed, that bridge is burned. She also said she wasnt going to count the time they had spent there with me. They were talking in circles and they knew I knew it. "But you are obviously such an INTELLIGENT WOMAN" one said..."Why would you leave Jehovah?" I said "who said I LEFT Jehovah except for a bunch of self important MEN whose opinion means nothing to me?" They said..."Oh we are out here because we LOVE JEHOVAH and we arent out here because of MEN". I was getting dizzy from the circular reasoning they were attempting. But...one was about to either throttle me or burst into tears because she couldnt sway me at all so I called an end to it. But I was really impressed that they took the time. I told them that in the almost ten years since I left not ONE PERSON not ONE ELDER has made an attempt to contact me. To which they said "Would you be open to a meeting?" and I quickly pointed out that that ship TOO had sailed baby.

    The one said she understood my frustration and she too had seen the "mess" and tried to live her life around it. I said the mess INSIDE or OUTSIDE the Kingdom Hall walls? And she said..."Definitely INSIDE but I have left Jehovah to handle it...he sees it and he will take care of it." I said sure he will. Im just not willing to sacrifice my 80 years on the planet WAITING for him to "take care of it" and in the meanwhile sit in the quagmire of child molestors, adulterers and liars and hypocrites and that Id take my chances with the world.

    Im sure they got back into their car and all hell broke loose. :)

    Loves

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    You watered a seed that was already planted by their own eyes.

    Way to go. I was talking to the wife on the way home from the Circuit Assembly. The CO goes on and on about how we don't need an education. I have a good education and the wife has an excellent one, earned while she was a JW. We both feel that kids should get one.

    Anyway, she questioned his statements. I reminded her how she used to frown upon me questioning the Borg, how I needed to be careful. She's so strong on this issue that she said "Perhaps the CO doesn't know all the issues." I asked her if that was the CO's original thoughts or perhaps the Governing Body?

    It's great to make some headway with a confirmed assimilated one.

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    Lovesdubs:

    Great post. I especially liked your concluding paragraph where you state you are not sacrificing your 80 years on the planet waiting for him to fix it...... This is my feeling as well.

    How could I stay there and function there with what I know and see? How could I go door to door and invite people there when I know what I know? I just can't.


    LHG

  • mama1119
    mama1119

    Sounds like a good conversation, you brought up spme good points! I hope it makes one or both think a little! Good Job!!!

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    Sounds like you had an interesting day.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    You could always say, "Did Jesus fix the Hebrew system of worship?"

  • bebu
    bebu

    You must have a way with words, and I think those sisters felt it. I loved your response,

    "Would you be open to a meeting?" and I quickly pointed out that that ship TOO had sailed baby.

    LOLOL!!

    Hard to quit talking with someone who is so intelligent and shoots cleanly from the hip.

    bebu

  • bronzefist
    bronzefist

    lovesdubs thanks for the post. I stopped home for lunch and decided to check out the boards. My feeling is more and more of the rank and file will be meeting x-jw's at the door. You did an excellent job in the discussion. brzfst

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Talk to any JW through the decades and they will tell you there are problems at the WBT$.I`ve heard it time and time again..One of three things will happen..They will leave it in Jehovah`s hands,they will quit,or they will try to do something about it..The ones who try to staighten things out will be DisfellowShipped..This has been repeated over and over..There is no cleaning up the WBT$,anyone who trys is punished...OUTLAW

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    Great job lovesdubs. They sound like two genuine people, trying to be the best Christians they can be, while being aware that not everything is right in the wts. That's how I started to doubt really, when I saw things going wrong over a long period and never being put right. Maybe when they see the situation in the wts staying the same or even deteriorating, they wii think about the conversation they had with you.

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