2 Pioneers said they agree the WT is a mess! (page 2)

drew sagan

To often these kind of conversations come down to a 'well the churches don't have truth' and 'they all go to war'. The JWs of the next generation really don't have a good grasp on what these issues actually involve. They don't realize that not going to war is a privilege, especially when others are doing it for you. What if nobody had stood up to Hitler? According to their own belief the governments are established and guided by God but at the same time they are filled with Satan.

Many of the younger ones blindly think they 'have the truth' about everything, only to crumble under pressure. I once confronted a kid who wouldn't stop talking about how all the Churches couldn't be trusted because of the Trinity. I pointed out all of the inconsistancies in their own brochure that discusses the matter, and asked him why it was written in such a dishonest way. The conversation soon ended.

The new breed of JWs are very weak. In the next 20 years this org is going to crack.

LovesDubs

One of the gals kept saying to me "but IM a GOOD PERSON, we arent ALL BAD and you make it sound like we are ALL BAD and...." She is the one who was getting upset with me. I said you ARE a nice person...IM a nice person..I was a nice person as a JW and Im a nice person NOW. But as soon as I asked QUESTIONS all those "friends" I thought I had as a JW marked and removed me from their lives even as I was attending the hall." The Elders labeled me a miscreant with "apostate tendencies" and ruined any hope of my returning and she had the "brothers" to thank for my ultimate exit." I said "You are precisely the kind of nice person that I went out in service with EVERY WEEKEND and what did I get in return for being a "good" JW for 13 long years? Kicked to the curb." And on the verge of tears she said to me..."Im sure that you and I would have been friends. I can tell after just a short time with you...that we would have been good friends."

And how sad is that...that because we believe different things in our spiritual selves that her God wont let her BE friends with the likes of me? Sad...just damn sad.

Loves

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chiddy

well done lovedubs

Nathan Natas

I've got this mental image of a person standing hip deep in pig shit asking, "where else would I go?"

A good answer might be "anywhere."

Jim_TX

And on the verge of tears she said to me..."Im sure that you and I would have been friends. I can tell after just a short time with you...that we would have been good friends."

Her words are in the past tense. So basically she was also telling you that the two of you couldn't presently be friends. I find that sad.

Regards,

Jim TX

IronClaw

The new breed of JWs are very weak. In the next 20 years this org is going to crack.

I agree Drew. I cant see this Org going another 50 yrs. I hope I live long enough to see it.

The Claw

unique1

WOW, that was unusual. I keep hoping more will see the light.

AMNESIAN

Sharp volley, LovesDubs. And good on them for being willing to engage, however sadly misguided their reasoning. Still, you never know what good effect your words may eventually realize.

The one said she understood my frustration and she too had seen the "mess" and tried to live her life around it. I said the mess INSIDE or OUTSIDE the Kingdom Hall walls? And she said..."Definitely INSIDE but I have left Jehovah to handle it...he sees it and he will take care of it."

My standard comeback to every JW who invariably offers the above self-righteous justification for their :::cue mournful music::: sitting among wicked men of lies and loving the company of those who truth despise:

"And when churchgoers you encounter in field service offer you that exact same rationale for their remaining in their religions amidst the sin and lawlessness --code-named, when practiced by JWs, "imperfection" -- do you commend them for waiting on God to set matters straight or do you zealously warn them, referring them in your NWT to Rev. 18:4, to "get out from among them if you don't want to ... receive part of her plagues"???"

Never fails. Deer in headlights.

It was just this past weekend I had my most recent opportunity to snap a "whole-souled" pioneer's lips shut with that challenge after she offered up the same boilerplate justification for continuing with the organization despite the "imperfections" she acknowledges are apparent around her. To her credit, after staring at me speechless for a few moments, she quietly conceded something to the effect of "...well, uh..yeah...uh..."

Well, yeah, uh...right.

AMNESIAN

LovesDubs

Amnesian Said: My standard comeback to every JW who invariably offers the above self-righteous justification for their :::cue mournful music::: sitting among wicked men of lies and loving the company of those who truth despise:

"And when churchgoers you encounter in field service offer you that exact same rationale for their remaining in their religions amidst the sin and lawlessness --code-named, when practiced by JWs, "imperfection" -- do you commend them for waiting on God to set matters straight or do you zealously warn them, referring them in your NWT to Rev. 18:4, to "get out from among them if you don't want to ... receive part of her plagues"???"

Never fails. Deer in headlights."

The sound of crickets ensues. :)

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