Let's just get something straight about 1975. (page 11)

JH

Let it be 1975 or 1914 or 607BC, the bottom line is that the watchtower is going beyond what's written.

Here is another example:

R6Laser

Let it be 1975 or 1914 or 607BC, the bottom line is that the watchtower is going beyond what's written.

Sure its the watchtower and not individuals who are going beyond what's writtten?

Once again I go back to my original point. If I were to explain this to some family members of mine still attending. First thing they would reply back to me would be, "Where did the society say that?" I would go back and say "Well, it wasn't really written or said by the society but it was eluded too, and some over zealous jws went with their own interpretations and came up with specific dates."

As far as your picture, it doesn't prove a thing. Ever since I can remember the wts have been preaching and telling everyone how close we are to the end and it would only be a short period of time, but once again I see no specific dates. The only dates I heard of was when people were taking things and coming up with their own conclusions. Example would be with the generation lasting 70 - 80 years. I was still a member when this happened and I rememberd many were saying that the armageddon would be in 1994 because 1914 + 80 = 1994. But I don't remember reading that in any publication, this was just mentioned by people who were thinking in this manner. Still this proves nothing besides that some people actually went ahead and calculated it and came up with that date.

So how would you explain to someone still in the wts that the society specifically mentioned the specific dates the end was supposed to happen?

Beta Male

telling a lie doesnt make you clever wtf. or sneaky. if you need info just ask, or pm somebody. or google it even. manipulating emotions to a selfish end just makes you look like an assclown.

VM44

Oh no! We all have been used!

Well, good information has been collected in one place. So it served a useful purpose.

--VM44

sf

Precisely VM.

I thereby suggest this thread be placed in "BEST OF" category for ALL lurkers and seekers who happen upon this site.

sKally

OnTheWayOut

So how would you explain to someone still in the wts that the society specifically mentioned the specific dates the end was supposed to happen?

Re-read many of the posts in this thread. They explain how overseers were saying it. They explain how the Kingdom Ministry said it was a fine thing to sell your home and pioneer until the end. They explain how we were ~~urged~~ forced to reach the conclusion that the end must be in 1975. You want something to present JW's so that there is no argument with your documentation. That ain't gunna happen.

Join the Flat-Earth Society, they have indisputable evidence that the earth is flat, or join the WTS, they have indisputable evidence that their organization always is correct. In other words, you will always get an argument, no matter what you can show them.

Warlock

R6

1975 was implied. How far are you willing to extend the 1914 generation? To infinity? There has to be a final date that would end the time frame of the 1914 generation teaching.

I totally understand what YOU are saying. Do you understand what we are saying? There are not just dates involved here. We were told we were wasting our time trying to make a life in this system. Some of us tried to follow, to the letter, what we were taught. No education, no house, no saving for old age, and in some cases, NO CHILDREN! I remember the words of the speaker who said, at a D.C. at Dodger Stadium "this is NOT the time to be having children". My wife begged me to have a child, but I had second, third and fouth thoughts about it because of this speakers words. If we had done what he said, we wouldn't have the beautiful 20 year old child we have now.

If my wife's sisters had listened to the advice, we would never have enjoyed our neices and nephews that we have now, and they are still coming.

Warlock

Kenneson

Who was it that brought up the year 1975 in the first place? Was it the rank and file? Would any zealous Witnesses, on their own, have jumped to the conclusion that the end was coming in 1975? That belief did not originate in a vacuum.

Liberty

Just to be perfectly clear R6Laser you are 100% correct in saying that "over zealous brothers" pushed 1975. The problem is that these "over zealous brothers" were in fact the real dictatorial leadership of the Watchtower Society to the point where they were in fact THE Watchtower Society in every sense of its full meaning. Having the Watchtower Society say that 1975 was the fault of some over zealous brothers is like the Nazi government of Germany saying WWII and all the Nazi atrocities were all the fault of a few over zealous soldiers and airmen from the German military. This statement is 100% true yet very misleading. Hitler and Goehring were just a few over zealous members of the German military but they also happened to be the absolute rulers of the Nazi dictatorship and were, IN FACT, Nazi Germany. Fred Franz was an over zealous brother, he also happened to be co-dictator of the Watchtower Society and in charge of and responsable for ALL speculation, policy, and Bible interpretation forced upon the JW community.

You are also right in declaring how hard it is to convince hard core JWs that the Society said the big "A" would happen in 1975 because the leadership has always played a shell game about who really runs the Watchtower Society and since most JWs don;t know who really is in charge it is hard for them to pin any accusations on the Society which to them does not rely on any human leadership and hence cannot be faulted for human errors.

Warlock

Kenn,

The problem, or rather, the "out", as it were, were the words "wouldn't it be appropriate". So then, they didn't really say it, while saying it.

Warlock

Let's just get something straight about 1975.

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