by apocalypse 45 Replies latest jw experiences
Wow. Just ... just WOW!
I wish you'd met me when I was 17, apocalypse. I know there is no going back, but I sure wish I could have used your insights to better advantage a LONG time ago. Wow.
Heck, if I'd met you two years ago I might have stayed in.
This is a POWERFUL thread.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul
Just curious, but even if they CATCH you at it, what could they DO about it. You can defend every statement with their own publications. mkr would have been GREAT at this. Oh man, oh man. Wow.
JWdaughter... your Mom is still in? There is a procedure whereby you can help her. But I must saay that in the end, all you may achieve is bettering your personal relationship with her. She may not budge from the Borg.
My mother-in-law knows quite many things. But she sticks. Sometimes the adage holds true, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." The reason is that the old dog doesn't want to learn. Even if it meant dying, they don't care anymore. I think they feel that life has passed them by.
The older generation has been doing it for so long that even if they were eywitnesses the a governing body orgy which included farm animals, they could still not move. Abused people often seek further abuse. It's a type of mental illness and it's widespread.
When I still attended, I tried to do what you are talking about. Every answer I gave, I pushed things to the very limit of what is allowed. Gradually, they called on me less and less, but I persisted. People in the Hall would notice if I were completely ignored, so they had to let me talk every once in a while. In my public talks, I did not base things on the Society's material, but what I said was not exactly forbidden. And the neat thing was that real conversations developed after the meetings. People in the hall would come up to me and start expressing their thoughts about controversial subjects. "I was thinking about abortion. It's wrong. I know it's wrong. But I'm wondering why it's never explicitly condemned in the Bible, since people in ancient times did perform abortions with herbs and things. Why do we have to use 'biblical reasoning' to determine what Jehovah feels about this matter? Why is the Bible itself silent?" Another Witness said, "We have to stick with it. They are like scared parents who are making rules that are too strict out of their concern for us. You young ones will be the next generation. You'll change things." I said, "But the difference is that we are ADULTS who are being infantilized. And they don't promote the kinds of people who would generate postive change. They only want people who will submit." He did not disagree. I think it can be done. It just came to a point where I wanted to have my own life. I could not spend any more time in that world.
WOW. I am so in awe of what you're doing. I think you should be given sainthood status. The amount of courage and patience that must take....
I have thought about this idea in the past. It is probably the most effective way to help others out of the cult. Unfortunately, there are few with the intestinal fortitude and patience to carry it out. I get really nauseated just driving by the kh. I get goose bumps.
I cannot imagine entering that hellhole, seeing that butt ugly decor, smelling the eau-de-body-odor-pee-and-Lysol smell in the ladies' room, seeing faces of people I despise, seeing them with their smug grins thinking they won.....and worst of all, hearing the kingdumb melodies. I think I could stomach the talks simply by drifting off in my mind, but the rest...........it would be more than I could handle without telling them all off.
AND I would never tolerate shunning for one moment. I am not dfd so the moment they started shunning me I'd be in their face forcing them to talk to me. (heh, I can just see myself saying, "Hi Sister Shunalot! What a beautiful skirt you have on. It's really encouraging to see a sister adorning herself with such modesty. Would you mind going with me to the mall tomorrow afternoon? I've been in the world so long, I'm fresh out of modest attire. I thought we could hit a few stores and then have coffee at Starbucks. Perhaps you could bring your Watchtower so we could prestudy it over coffee, maybe get in a little informal witnessing too!" lol
On the other hand, I believe I have helped prevent dozens of people from joining the borg by educating them about the facts....and I've helped active dubs use their critical thinking skills....but this has all been done w/o entering a kh. Kudos to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS-What do you do about field service?
I would be willing to do this myself but i couldn't do it alone but i really dont want to get my GF or anyone i care about involved.
GREAT! you guys are doing a great thing, saving the lives of those poor brainwashed people , my husband and I (faders) started doing this and helped quite a few out, mostly family and very close freinds, but as time wore on, we just couldn't stomach the meetings, and so....we haven't attended in about 3 mos, that's the longest we've stayed away, it's so great....we just don't want to go back.
Good luck to you, I hope you are able to help many people out.
One thing I think we can still do, and a few here are doing, is informing the public about this Cult, that way the householders answering the doors won't be caught offguard and will not listen to anything the JW's have to say, maybe they could have flyers to give to the JW's with facts about the WTS....that would be great!
IC
"...informing the public about this Cult"
I like it very much. I just sent a letter to the local newspaper. Well, actually it's more than a letter. I can't go into too much detail, but I put in a copy of the new "Doomsday Tract" as I have been calling it. You know, the one we start to deliver tomorrow.
I will say this, the WTS's tract leaves alot of room for interpretation. Folks might get the wrong idea about the WTS. So I included a paper with quite a few WT quotes so that there will be less confusion.It will be an eye opener.
I wonder if the kingdum hall phone is ringing...?
reading stuff like this makes my day. i wish i would have known these things before leaving so i could have helped too.
you guys rock
Stressing confidentiality.
Kudos so far, but this one may sink ya. When their backs are against the wall (in the KH library), some panic-stricken dubs will rat out their mother, father, sister, brother. wife, husband, son, daughter...all to avoid the wrath of Jehovah. Hate to rain on your parade, but get ready to be toast some day.
