Chemical weapons being used ... how about it America?

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  • Forscher
    Forscher

    Well, BBc does have a bias and internal memos have surfaced in the last week or so in which they admit as much.

    However, I don't think the bias is as much antisemitic as socialist-progressive. What we call the left on this side of the pond. Where Israel runs afoul of is that the BBC buys the propaganda machine of the anti-Israeli Muslim world hook-line-and-sinker and is airing that rubish uncritically. The BBc doesn't ask the hard questions, such as, Why haven't the surrouding nations taken in the refugees who heeded their call to leave Israel in 1948 and treated them like the "brothers" they claim them to be. Instead, they confined them to the so called "refugee camps" and treated them like vermin. And that in was done in some cases by the very countries which claimed soverignty over the so called land of Palestine!

    The surrounding countries lost that war and every other war which followed. Their failure was complete until they hit upon the strategy of labeling the Israelis as invaders and started charging them with mistreating the "palestinians" still living in the "occupied territories." Leftists, who always want to be seen as having sympathy for the oppressed jumped on that bandwagon and have uncritically supported the Arabs every since, depsite evidence to the contrary. And that includes the BBC.

    Tell me. Did the BBC devote as much time to and condemn the deliberate targeting of civilians by Hezbollah during the last altercation as they did reporting and condemning the so called "atrocities" by Israel? Did they condemn the invasion of Israeli territory and kidnapping of her soldiers as harshly as they condemned Israel's response? Be honest now. I don't have access to their audio and video reporting, but I sure noticed a wide disparity on these issues in their written coverage on the net. If I had that to go by, then I would've concluded that Israel had attacked Lebanon with absolutely provocation and had acted like Ghengis Khan's hordes. I would've also concluded that they'd been roundly defeated as the BBc didn't report that Hezbollah's agreement to the cease fire came when the Israeli's switched tactics and were overuning the territory under Hezbollah control.

    Time and again, all I saw reported were Arab charges that Israel was targeting civilians indescriminantly. When the BBC joined in condemning the shelling of the UN facility, the BBC conveniently forgot to mention that it sat right next to a Hezbollah facility which was targeting Israeli troops. and I can go on and on. But then, the BBC was not all alone in uncritically reporting the Arab side of the story.

    In my onpinion, the bias is socialist-progressive. Right now, it is cool among those folks to be anti-Israel, anti-US. And the old saying about "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is the dynamic at work here. As I said, internal memos admitting that left-wing bias have surfaced. You might not like the messengers (your so called right-leaning papers), but I think the memo's prove the point.

    Ironically enough, I think it can truthfully be said that the "palestinians" in the "occupied territories" were far better off than they've been since Israel was forced into the idiotic solution of giving Arafat and his cronies political control over most of those territories. Those folks have proven corrupt and have either stolen or squandered all the money given to them for the benefit of the people. Instead of building a thriving democracy, they've made everyone miserable. And still, the BBC, Rueters, CNN, and most of the western media blame Israel for the squalor and misery of those poor people! How moronic!

    Forscher

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Ironically enough, I think it can truthfully be said that the "palestinians" in the "occupied territories" were far better off than they've been

    However I am reminded of the New Hampshire State Motto "Live Free or Die"

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Forscher,

    However, I don't think the bias is as much antisemitic as socialist-progressive.

    I made clear at the beginning of this issue that like every major news service, the BBC has some bias, imho far less than most, but that was NOT the issue.

    The issue was whether the BBC has a bias in favor of Islam and against Christianity and Judaism. The sentence that you wrote and which I have quoted above gives us your viewpoint.

    I do not agree with your assessment of BBC bias anyway, but your opinions in this are of limited value they are always going to have your personal agenda stamped over them. You claim that the BBC has no anti-semitic bias in your introduction and then spend the rest of your post trying to give examples of an anti-semitic bias in BBC reporting.

    Your political posts all seem to have a thread running though them Forscher, that paints a picture of a mind suffering from a cognizant discord. I have remarked on this before and you claimed that you were trying to give an unbiased view of these issues, but the fact is that like JW's chatting at a park bench, you cannot help but preach your real, inflexible agenda, and sooner rather than later. Perhaps you should take a lesson from James Woods and his political growth on this board, rather than continue with a seriously stunted world-view.

    When the Tories were in power the BBC was accused of a right-wing bias, now a left-wing bias. Perhaps what is really happening is that when our world is challenged, those challenging it will always fall under our critical eye.

    HS

  • Forscher
    Forscher

    Interesting HS,

    Once again you choose to attack the messenger rather than the message. But then, that is all you are capable of, isn't it. Instead of accusing me of cognitive dissonance, you ought to answer the questions presented. Since you didn't I imagine that I can take it as a given that the reporting was just exactly as I characterised it. As I pointed out in my post, I think the bias is not so much an antisemitic thing in and of itself as just following the SP crowd.

    Your continued proclivity for personal attacks demonstrates abundantly that it is not me who suffers from CD. It also refutes your claim of a wider world-view than my own. Touche!

    Forscher

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Forscher,

    Once again you choose to attack the messenger rather than the message. But then, that is all you are capable of, isn't it.

    I have attacked your message. You once again contradicted yourself in your post. As this seems to be a common problem with your posts, I drew attention to the fact that this seems to be a repeated deficit in your political thinking. If you interpret this as 'attacking the messenger' it does not suprise me. It is a common smokescreen which you throw up when others call you on your easily dismantled arguments.

    Look to yourself Forscher.

    HS

  • z
    z

    .......Today, an Arab terrorist walked into a private family celebration and murdered six Israeli civilians in cold blood. The terrorist wounded over 30 people with a M-16 combat assault rifle. The terrorist was subdued before he could use his grenades against the children. This was a Bat Mitzvah – a coming of age party for a 13-year-old girl! According to the BBC there was no terror involved – they described the attacker as a “gunman”. Gunmen rob banks and shoot turkeys.
    Terrorists spread fear through senseless acts of barbarism. Even the BBC in it’s own on-line coverage reports Arafat’s Fatah terror organization as stating: “There will be more successful attacks that will plant fear in the hearts of the Zionist enemies. Revenge is coming”

    The US State Department described the bloody and cowardly act as: "vicious" and a "horrific act of terrorism."
    But the BBC will not use the words “terrorist” or terrorism. They will only use the word “militants”!

    HonestReporting.Com deserves our deepest thanks for voting the BBC as the most biased, global network - unless you happen to live in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran, PA / PLO controlled West Bank or any other country which supports and harbors international terrorism.

    I was standing in the lobby of the Wellington Hotel in New York City two days after the World Trade Center was attacked, burned and fell to ashes. I couldn't resist asking a BBC producer who was staying at the Wellington: "How do you describe the people who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? Are they 'militants, gunmen, radicals or terrorists'?
    The BBC producer actually had to think for a few seconds, before responding: "terrorists". If they were on TV's "Weakest Link" they now would have moved onto the second round.

    I ask why is the Iranian backed Hamas group identified in the States as a terrorist organization, but in Israel as "militants". Did the BBC describe the IRA and their bombs attacks on civilians in London as "militants"? No. So then why the bias?

    As for the "poor and suffering Palestinian people" - look at Arafat, name just ONE accomplishment that he has achieved in helping them to realize a better quality of life. Turning his back on Clinton, Barak and his own people and refusing to accept a peace deal at Camp David spoke volumes. The man is interested only in his own survival.

    And Israel is not "occupying" Jerusalem or any Palestinian land - the Palestinians never lived in Israel - read your history!

    Finally, why didn't Arafat take the millions of dollars that he spent in buying Iranian terror weapons and give that money to his own people who are living in poverty? Then again, Arafat never gave a penny from the million dollar a day revenue from the Oasis Casino in Jericho to the poor Palestinian children living in a refugee camp across the street.
    Why hasn't the BBC ever filed a story on this?

    If you ever wanted to witness consistent, distorted and bias reporting at it's best - tune into the BBC's reporting on Israel. While other networks strive to be objective and sometimes make human mistakes - the BBC never makes a mistake to attack Israel. Even when placing Israeli cities such as Netanya and Hadera miles away from their actual locales inside the "green line" and reports them as being in the West Bank - you never hear a correction being made. Here in Israel - we are so disgusted with the BBC, that our natural response has become a simple, Weakest Link - "good-bye".

    What will it take for the BBC to wake up and accurately, objectively describe the terrorists as they describe themselves (above)? Must London be attacked, a BBC reporter be murdered or a BBC office be bombed by Islamic extremists for the BBC to finally describe Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Tanzim and Arafat as terrorists? We hope not.

  • z
    z

    Seeing Through the BBC

    Most of the 143 million worldwide listeners who tune each week to the BBC World Service, including more than 3.5 million in the U.S. via public radio stations, would probably accept the British network's claim that it is "the world's most successful and widely trusted international radio" service. And the trust that these listeners place in the BBC's crisply-accented reporters would seemingly be justified by the network's Royal Charter, which requires it to be "a credible, unbiased, reliable, accurate, balanced and independent news service."

    At odds with these high-minded words, however, is the disquieting fact that the World Service is funded directly by "Foreign Office grants." While, predictably, there is a claim of editorial independence from what amounts to Britain's State Department, the BBC's guidelines acknowledge that World Service "aims and priorities must be agreed with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. The BBC is, therefore, answerable for the World Service to the Foreign Office, Parliament and taxpayers."

    It is hard to imagine a greater conflict of interest than a news organization specializing in international coverage being funded by, and directly answerable to, its country's foreign policy arm. Unfortunately, the long tradition of anti-Israel and even anti-Jewish bias at the Foreign Office does seem to have had an impact on the BBC's Middle East coverage.

    Consider, for example, the BBC's broadcast and now yearlong defense of a false story filed on June 5, 1997 by Stephen Sackur, then the BBC's Jerusalem Bureau Chief. As part of his report marking the thirtieth anniversary of the Six Day War, Mr. Sackur interviewed Mohammed Burkan, accepting without question Burkan's claim that the Israeli government had stolen his home in Jerusalem:

    Sackur: An awkward meeting in the old city of Jerusalem, thirty years after Israel's military conquest. We returned with Mohammed Burkan, to the house he owned before 1967. Now a Jewish family lives there... .
    Burkan: (translated) No, I don't hate the Jews who live here. They are not to blame for what has been. I hate the Israeli government because it took my house. No Muslim has the right to give up one inch of Jerusalem.

    Apparently Mr. Sackur and his editors were unaware that Mr. Burkan had, more than 20 years earlier, brought his case to the Israeli courts, culminating with an appeal before Israel's High Court. At each stage Mr. Burkan's charges were found to be baseless, a key piece of evidence being a letter sent by Mr. Burkan on June 16, 1968 to Israel's then prime minister and finance minister, in which Burkan stated that he had been living in a rented apartment on the site in question, and only since 1963.

    Other evidence cited in the appeal (HC 114/78) also contradicted Mr. Burkan's claim that the home had always been owned by Muslims. According to Land Registry records from the time of the British Mandate, the land and home in question were owned by a Jewish family that was driven out during the Arab riots of 1938.

    The BBC was informed of the facts surrounding Burkan's claims the day after the program aired. In response, network officials steadfastly defended Sackur's report, initially arguing that it referred to a home different from the one dealt with in Burkan's court appeals. However, the network ignored repeated requests to provide the address of this other home so that Land Registry records could be checked.

    Apparently unable to produce evidence of the second home, the BBC then offered a new defense of Sackur's report: "The section of Stephen Sackur's report that you are questioning should be seen in the context of the report as a whole... the short section... dealing with Mr. Burkan was illustrative of general issues of land and property ownership in territories occupied by Israel (emphasis added)."

    That is, even if the Burkan story is fiction through and through, it doesn't matter because the fiction is "illustrative" of a higher truth, that Israel has dispossessed native Palestinians, stealing their land and homes. And stories which support that higher truth, however false, are evidently acceptable to the BBC.

    Indeed, the misreporting of the Burkan case and subsequent journalistic dereliction are not anomalies. BBC journalists have long expressed their animus towards Israel both in their reporting, and in revealing actions after leaving the region. Thus, Tim Llewelyn, twice the BBC's Middle East correspondent, has repeatedly expressed extreme hostility toward Israel since his departure from the network in 1992. Last year, for example, at a London conference entitled "The Palestinians: A Continuing Exodus 1948–1997," Llewelyn, who chaired one of the sessions, declared "everything Israel is doing today is aimed at getting the Palestinians out of Palestine." Referring to his review of a book written by the former Israeli President Chaim Herzog, who had recently died, Llewelyn exclaimed, "I have just given his book a good banging. Three days later he died!" — drawing applause and appreciative laughter from his audience.

    It is telling that such statements did not disqualify Llewelyn from writing for the BBC website a series of essays titled "Israel at Fifty," which predictably declare that the "Judaisation of Arab East Jerusalem proceeds apace," characterize Israel as an "implant in the Middle East," and explain American support for Israel as based not on shared democratic values but on the power of the "Jewish lobby."

    But, biased and false anti-Israel reporting, and virulent statements from its former chief correspondent in the Middle East, are unlikely to have displeased either the World Service or its sole source of funds, the British Foreign Office, whose policy in the region has long been profoundly hostile towards Israel and Zionism.

    This hostility was manifest even in pre-state days, when Britain kept as a highest secret detailed reports of Nazi Germany's systematic genocide of the Jews. According to recently declassified documents the British government was aware of the developing Holocaust almost from its first days, but said and did nothing.

    During the war the British government actually acted against the rescue of Jews, for fear that survivors would cause problems elsewhere, especially in the Middle East. Thus, in December 1943, the British government opposed the evacuation of Jews from Rumania and France because "the Foreign Office are concerned with the difficulties of disposing of any considerable number of Jews should they be rescued from enemy occupied territory." Less than a year later, as the annihilation of European Jewry neared completion, a Foreign Office memo declared that "a disproportionate amount of the time of this office is wasted on dealing with these wailing Jews."

    These anti-Jewish policies and sentiments were hardly aberrations. Sir John Troutbeck, for example, head of the British Middle East Office, characterized Zionist actions in the region as "unashamed aggression carried out by methods of deceit and brutality not unworthy of Hitler." And Edward Grigg, British Minister Resident in Cairo, predicted that partition "would very likely bring into existence a Jewish Nazi-state...."

    With the British foreign policy establishment harboring such animus towards Jews and the Jewish state, and able to determine the "aims and priorities" of World Service coverage, it is difficult to imagine how BBC reporting on the Middle East could be anything but deeply biased against Israel. Hiring reporters with the extreme malice exhibited by Mr. Llewelyn only ensures this.

    After evidence of the BBC's dereliction and stonewalling in the Burkan case was forwarded to the CPB and Congress, a ranking BBC official promised that "senior managers in BBC News" will reexamine the issues and compose a "detailed reply." Whatever the character of that new reply from the BBC, it is difficult to reconcile the British network's evident conflict of interest and biased reporting with U.S. laws requiring that CPB-funded programs adhere to standards of "strict objectivity and balance."

    Until the BBC World Service is removed from the purview of the Foreign Office, and until it desists from biased reporting, broadcast of the network's programs should not be subsidized by American taxpayers.

  • z
    z

    Good Night!!!!

    Z

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Z,

    What you post is opinion and not evidence. Please provide point by point *evidence* that the BBC shows a bias toward Islam at the sacrifice of Christianity and Judiasm. What you have copied and pasted does not do this. It is a tirdade of passionate opinion and hunches from a source not even quoted, but I suspect it is another one of your passionate bloggers situated in Israel.

    You will note throughout the threads that you posted that the BBC denied bias, and said it would investigate the accusations made. There is no proof here Z, just accusations at this stage. As I have said, I am open to persuation, but you must present far more than these accusations to have any credibility in the matter.

    PROVE your point of view with FACTS, then we can assess these facts and make a decision one way or the other. You have presented nothing to suggest that the BBC has a reporting bias against Christianity and Judaism. Even Forscher, who seems to live in a state of Right Wing suspended animation recognizes this.

    Best regards - HS

  • z
    z

    Hillary

    Your opinion is yours and my opinion is my BTW the post are one from the UK and the other one from the USA (ok pls don’t say the are Jews so the are not valid) I think I provided you with evidence but you don’t like to see the forest

    I’m on my way to D.C don’t have time to answer you but on my return will do

    Best

    Z

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