I have only this to say: Britain is as culpable in this matter as America.
That is all.
Chemical weapons being used ... how about it America?
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under_believer
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czarofmischief
There was a time, perhaps, when the rantings and personal attacks would have gotten to me. Not so much anymore. If you want to know what I do, Abaddon, ye need only move your patchouli-scented mouse over to my name and click on "topic history." I think if you peer through the incense smoke and the purple haze clouding your mind you'll be able to work it out. (The dancing occurred even on the day AFTER 9/11, btw.)
Ah, and good old HS, still typing away in your self-righteous indignation. Shrug.
The question posed to me was this: Do I want all muslims burned to death in WP infernos. The answer is no. But I do not view the average Muslim as an innocent bystander either - and I have extremely limited pity for them and their suffering. I've learned a new philosophy, "If you kick my dog I will kill your mother." Of course, you seem content to allow your freedom of speech to be abridged by protests and threats of violence - ala certain cartoons mocking their philosophy - and of course to have the de facto Christian leader of the world forced to apologize to them when he didn't even insult them in the first place.
How many filmmakers are going to be murdered for speaking their mind? Nobody killed Michael Moore, but the Left only shrugged when that poor Danish guy got whacked. Or perhaps a letter-writing campaign would help? A sit-in? Ooh, let's get on JWD and drunkenly speak our minds - that'll show them! Or when those journalists got kidnapped and forcibly converted to Islam in Gaza. Or the Muslim atrocities in Darfur. Perhaps you are right - we are not trying to avoid the strictest definition of "genocide" but I have yet to see a term created to represent an all-out assault on a religion. The term "genocide" was applied in Bosnia, so I used it here. "Religio-cide" would be more to your liking? Or "Ideo-cide?" or "Islamo-cide?"
Good luck with your typing. I'm sure it'll be efficacious someday.
CZAR
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clovis
I bought a Muslim Inflatable doll at a porn store but before I got it home she blew herself up!
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hillary_step
Czar,
The most amusing thing with posters such as yourself when politics is debated, is that somehow you convince yourself that the readers are incapable of scrolling up the page and reading the posts that led to the rebuttals that you receive.
Like many who feed on the surface of world politics your arguments are rather shallow, as can be evidenced by your precariously generalized comments that show that you have not grasped the point that others are presenting to you.
I will give you an example of this superficiality in action :
How many filmmakers are going to be murdered for speaking their mind? Nobody killed Michael Moore, but the Left only shrugged when that poor Danish guy got whacked.
'The Left only shrugged'....lol. What does that mean? Would you care to explain how you reached this hallowed opinion?
As for the rest of your post, well living in a world of us and them, Right and Left, Wordling and Theocrat is not a wise way to understand what is happening in the World political theatre, where often the middle ground is the only long-term answer, not unless you are bi-polar of course.
HS
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Forscher
I presume that inside that muddled head of yours you have actually found some way of rationalizing this inept comparison. I would be interested in how you quantify this comparison - on the other hand, just send me your Captain America comics, I will probably find the answer there without having to put up with your 'I am the voice of reason' appeal.
HS
To fail to see the parallel, one has to ignore the facts that the targets of said shells, Hezbollah, are hardly innocent folks. At the time the incendiary shells were used Hezbollah was deliberately targeting the civilian population, rather than the military, with rockets packed with ball bearings in order to maximise the death toll among the Jews, itself an unconscionable act. When Germany deliberately targeted the civilian population during WWII, England had no qualms about paying them back with thermite and Phosphorous bombs on civilian centers at night. At least the Israelis tried to target Hezbollah.
Those who deny Israel the right to defend its ppoulation against terrorist organizations like Hezbollah are the ones who have the "muddled little heads." But then, most of Europe seems to be addled in the brain right now, just like they were in the days of Neville chamberlin.
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Abaddon
czar
There was a time, perhaps, when the rantings and personal attacks would have gotten to me.
But now you're too busy ranting and attacking entire religions for the crimes of a minority to let anything like other people's disgust at your attitude to make you pause and actually think about what you say. Of course, lampooning someone who makes continuous errors when presenting facts in their argument is VERY bad. I will send myself to bed without dinner.
Not so much anymore. If you want to know what I do, Abaddon, ye need only move your patchouli-scented mouse over to my name and click on "topic history." I think if you peer through the incense smoke and the purple haze clouding your mind you'll be able to work it out. (The dancing occurred even on the day AFTER 9/11, btw.)
So, you make sweeping generalsiations, prophecies of genocide (hampered somewhat by your ignorance of the English language), show your opinion is based on inaccurate knowledge about Muslims and France, further show your tendancy to hysteria by confusing two real and tragic issues in your attempt to wail from your soapbox, and round it off by becoming an apologetic for the use of WP on civilians.
And all you can do is make a comment along the lines of;
"well, I can't actually rebutt the thrust of your argument Abaddon, as I was making sweeping generalisations and silly errors of fact regarding Muslims and France, but despite the facts I base my opinions on being shown to be false I am sticking with my opinion and to try to make it seem you like the problem I'll mention you smoke pot as (in what passes for my mind) this means I don't have to answer for the faults in my argument".
Wow, IMPRESSIVE!
I do not view the average Muslim as an innocent bystander either.
The average Muslim is as peaceful and innocent as the average Christian. Yet you'll line them up against the wall for the crimes of others.
I have extremely limited pity for them and their suffering.
That's okay; I pity you.
I've learned a new philosophy, "If you kick my dog I will kill your mother."
Ah, words of Wisdom. I knew a guy like you... he was about SO high (holds fingers under nose) and lived over there (points East with an outstreached arm and downward faced palm at a 45 degree angle).
Of course, you're not a Nazi... just like Islamic Fundies aren't Nazi. But the 'force is right/tolerance is a dream/innocents can die for the cause/revenge is good/certain groups are undesirable due to their religion or ethnicity (not due to any crime on their part)' philosophy is obviously one that Nazism, Fundamental Islam, and the worst of right-wing vapouring such as you exemplify have in common.
That's the tragedy; people like YOU play into the hands of the worst of the Islamic Fundies. Rather than rasing your game you reduce yourself to their level.
How many filmmakers are going to be murdered for speaking their mind? Nobody killed Michael Moore, but the Left only shrugged when that poor Danish guy got whacked.
Czar, again you are wrong. You are now confusing two European countries (instead of the clothing codes of two religions). But please, keep maiing posts. Each post shows in greater deal how little you know about a subject you feel qualified enough in to prophecy a race-war.
Ooh, let's get on JWD and drunkenly speak our minds - that'll show them!
Enough about you and your drunken rant Czar...you weren't drunk? Then that means you've even LESS of an excuse...
Or when those journalists got kidnapped and forcibly converted to Islam in Gaza.
The under-age girl allegedly raped by US troops who then killed her and her family?
Or the Muslim atrocities in Darfur.
That the Christians sit and watch whilst wringing their hands?
Stop thinking in sound-bites man! Look at the bigger picture.
Do you think someone who is enfranchised and capable of supporting theirselves and a family, who is treated equal to those around them, and who feels secure from untoward atacks by their own or other governments jumps out of bed one day and says "I know what I'll do, I'll blow myself up on a bus!!"?
Add in the backwards nature of the cultures many Muslims come from (in terms of their socio-political development) to the high-handed, incompetent, interfering, two-faced and biased handling of those same cultures by the West and you have a recepie for disaster.
If our great-grand parents were subjected to the same behaviour by advanced Muslim super-powers as Muslims (of the same cultural level as our great-grand parents) have been subjected to by advanced 'Christian' super-powers, the situation would be the same.
Except it would be (for example) Palestinian Christians who blew themselves up to protest the unlimited reign a Jewish state is allowed by a Islamic superpower in ethnicly cleansing a country.
Rather than for ONE MOMENT think that we are reaping a whirlwind largely of our own divising you assume the fault lies totally with the Muslims.
But then I doubt (given you are yet to show us any knowledge about this subject) you actually know how the West has crapped down the throat of the Arab Muslim world (in particular) for strategic and economic convenience. If you don't know the extent this has hapened to (which I doubt), then you would see the Muslims as the bad guys in the uninformed and simplistic fashion you do.
I believe that many who feel elements of the Muslim world have unfairly targetted the West suffer from a similar lack of historical perspective. If anyone feels this is an unfair statement, I can always set a pop-quiz, LOL.
Oh, please feel free to make straw man arguments saying I justify the actions of terrorists. I don't. But if that's the best you can do, hell, it keeps you off the streets...
Perhaps you are right - we are not trying to avoid the strictest definition of "genocide" but I have yet to see a term created to represent an all-out assault on a religion.
Crusade?
The term "genocide" was applied in Bosnia, so I used it here.
Because in BOSNIA it was a SINGLE ethnic group who happened to be Muslims that were being killed.
"Religio-cide" would be more to your liking? Or "Ideo-cide?" or "Islamo-cide?"
Coin words to describe your nightmare/dream scenario as you wish. Any smart comments on the fact you obviously know naff all about Muslims (or France), yet on the basis of this 'accumilated' knowledge will condemn an entire religion and prophecy its doom? Hell, Nazi's were doing that about Jews before WWII. Can't you see what your opinions and actions align you with?
And of course I know you're reading this...
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My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW
To the 2LT,
Thanks for your service to this country.Hooah!
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MinisterAmos
Who do you think bombed German Cities during the Day??
Actually the single worst war-time tragedy (even including the nuclear attacks) was Britain's phospherous attacks against Dresden.
Unlike Israel's attacks against possible rocket sites, Dresden had no military targets.
Read Slaughterhouse Five sometime or again perhaps.
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hillary_step
Minister,
Unlike Israel's attacks against possible rocket sites, Dresden had no military targets.
That is not actually correct on either count.
It is exactly because of the results of the use of phosphorus in WWII and Vietnam that the International community is seeking to ban the use of such weapons and their classification as a chemical weapon. The Red Cross for example has been pressurring to have these weapons banned as chemical weapons, as have numerous other respected organizations. That they have been used in the past is the reason *why* they should not be used in the future. The defence that 'we used them in WWII, therefore it is fine to use them now' is ridiculous to say the least.
It should also be noted that Israel claimed they used these bombs in the Lebanon only as 'markers' until evidence was presented to the media via the documented injuries to civilians, including many children showing the signs of chemical burns, that they finally came clean and admitted using them against targets.
This reticence on the part of the Israeli government to defend their use of phosphurus bombs speaks for itself.
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