Ade:
Theres a difference between Christians and Religious fanatics.
Unfortunately that's not always the case
Have you studied "Church History" to know that Christians murdered many?
by booker-t 26 Replies latest watchtower bible
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LittleToe
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greendawn
Christianity was moving on well until Constantine after that it became secularised, eventually over the centuries the power lusting popes managed to gain great power and treated with gruesome, diabolical brutality all their opponents, enter the Holy Inquisition and witch hands of mostly innocent, unprotected women. The Protestants and Orthodox did likewise but a much lesser degree perhaps they didn't have the opportunity to be more destructive. Charlemagne also killed many pagan Germans that refused to embrace Christianity and similar things happened in the New World. On the other hand that is not the Christian ideology it was just "Christians" that violated its rules. Fortunately today even the Catholic Church is far more civilised. My view is let each generation pay for its crimes on the day of judgement.
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Ade
Thats true littletoe,
but you cant judge everyone by the majority, just like there are genuine witnesses who want to serve God.its just a shame for the genuine ones who never find a way out.
ALL THE BEST
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VM44
If "Christians" killed people then I would say they weren't following Chirst and so weren't really Christians after all.
--VM44
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TopHat
When it comes to killers and human surffering the Atheist WIN the BATTLE hand down verses Christians.
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/pot.html Pol Pot
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0831663.html Mao
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/stalin.html Stalin
AND that was only in the last century.
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Seeker4
There's little difference between religious fanatics and political ones. Both worship power. In the overall scheme of human history, I'm sure the religious-based tyrants have taken the greatest toll. And might most of these monsters be guilty of worshipping the state? Just another cult,in reality.
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LittleToe
I'm sure the religious-based tyrants have taken the greatest toll.
I can't deny that, because as far as I'm aware the alternative has only really been tried in the last century or so. The Atheistic-based tyrants got their day and proved to be no better than the religious-based ones.
The common denominator in atrocities? Man...
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gold_morning
On March 12, 2000 the catholic church...from quilt... set the time aside to ask for forgiveness. History aclaimes that the catholic church was resonsible for over 50,000,000 deaths throughout history!! gold_morning
VATICAN CITY -- Pope John Paul II on Sunday asked for forgiveness for many of his church's past sins, including its treatment of Jews, heretics, women and native peoples.
It was believed to be the first time in the history of the Catholic Church that one of its leaders sought such a sweeping pardon.
Dressed in the purple vestments of Lenten mourning, the 79-year-old pope addressed an audience at St Peter's Basilica on the Catholic Church's "Day of Forgiveness" for the 2000 Holy Year. He and his top cardinals grouped the past sins of their church into seven categories.
"We forgive and we ask for forgiveness," the pope said in a clear voice.
The pope's homily did not name groups or historical events, but prayers during the Mass were more specific. On behalf of the church, five Vatican cardinals and two bishops made a confession of sin, with a response from the pope.
Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls had said last week that the pope would ask "pardon from God," not from individual groups who have been wronged.
Sins against Jews
Jewish groups had voiced hope that the pope would use the Day of Forgiveness to expand on the church's condemnations of Catholic treatment of Jews -- particularly during the Holocaust, in which the Nazis killed 6 million Jews.
But no speaker mentioned the Holocaust.
Cardinal Edward Cassidy read the prayer for forgiveness for sins against Jews, saying: "Christians will acknowledge the sins committed by not a few of their number against the people of the covenant."
"We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood," the pope responded.
Rabbi David Rosen, head of the Jerusalem office of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, told Reuters the inclusion of a request for forgiveness from Jews in a Roman Catholic liturgy in St Peter's was "a significant step."
In 1998, the Vatican apologized for Catholics who had failed to help save Jews from Nazi persecution and acknowledged centuries of preaching contempt for Jews.
The pope specifically asked for forgiveness for sins against Israel. He is preparing for a trip to Jerusalem later this month.
7 categories of sin
The pope, bishops and cardinals spoke of seven categories of forgiveness: general sins; sins in the service of truth; against Christian unity; against the Jews; against respect for love, peace and cultures; against the dignity of women and minorities, and against human rights.
"We ask forgiveness for the divisions among Christians, for the use of violence that some Christians used in the service of the truth and for the behavior of diffidence and hostility sometimes used toward followers of other religions," the pope said in his homily before the prayers.
The words "violence in the service of truth" is an often-used reference to the treatment of heretics during the Inquisition, the Crusades and the forced conversions of native peoples.
"For the role that each one of us has had, with his behavior, in these evils, contributing to a disfigurement of the face of the church, we humbly ask forgiveness," he said.
No reference was made to homosexuals, who had asked to be included on the list.
Women and minorities
The prayer for forgiveness from women and minorities said Christians had been "guilty of attitudes of rejection and exclusion, consenting to acts of discrimination on the basis of racial and ethnic differences."
The prayer for forgiveness for human rights abuses said Christians had not recognized Christ in the poor, the persecuted and imprisoned and had too often committed "acts of injustice by trusting in wealth and power."
Referring to abortion, the pope said Christians had not defended the defenseless, "especially in the first stages of life."
The pope said Christians had "violated the rights of ethnic groups and peoples and shown contempt for their cultures and religious traditions." A prayer mentioned sins against gypsies.
The pope often has said Catholics should start the new millennium by seeking forgiveness for past sins, including those of the church. He calls this a "purification of memory" necessary for the church to move forward.
The pope also said Christians were ready to forgive others for abuse suffered by Christians over the centuries.
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Apostate Kate
What is the difference?
The difference is that you are confusing followers of religion with authentic followers of Jesus.
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read good books
Well Christians and Moslems and Jews are killing each other today so whats new, it's not past history with religious people killing each other it's going on in Iraq as we speak. If Christian really wanted to make ammends they would stop going to war and tell their children to stop going to war right now, today, in our time.
Killing Moslems in the middle East is not "beating your swords into plowshears and your spears into pruning hooks."
