How do you feel about "Ultimate fighting?"

by free2beme 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • R6Laser
    R6Laser

    R6Laser

    IMHO, anyone that goes into the cage claiming to be a True Martial Artist is a charlatan, no matter what Dan or Belt they hold. Then again. many people embark upon the journey into the Matrial Arts with the wrong mindset and atitude.

    Peace

    Lowden

    I agree, it has nothing to do with stepping into a cage. It has to do with whatever art you're into and practice. Stepping in a cage and fighting is a different matter all together. You don't like it and that's fine. Tons of people enjoy watching it and like myself some even enjoy participating in it. If I feel right doing it and want to experience it, why shouldn't I? Just because the majority of people don't like it? This coming from a forum where most have expressed they are free to do what they want and they don't want the big ol borg in their lives, yet there are still some who still judge others by what they do or don't do.

    Now I just practice Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and just do it for the sport and nothing else. Not only you learn self-defense but our training is pretty hard and keeps you in shape.

    I was refering to these toughman contests where everyone and anyone is allowed to fight, those are the events that give martial arts a bad light and why people want them banned. Just like any sport mixed martial arts when promoted and conducted correctly under sanctioned rules is fine. There are plenty of physical sports that result on injury or even death. As a matter of fact there have been more deaths in boxing than with full contact fighting.

  • My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW
    My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

    Now I just practice Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and just do it for the sport and nothing else. Not only you learn self-defense but our training is pretty hard and keeps you in shape.

    R6Laser What do you like about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ? Was your interest inspired by the 180 pound Royce Gracie systematically submitting all his UFC opponents or does it go deeper than that.?

  • R6Laser
    R6Laser
    R6Laser What do you like about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ? Was your interest inspired by the 180 pound Royce Gracie systematically submitting all his UFC opponents or does it go deeper than that.?

    Well, when I was in high school I did some wrestling. Then as I started college I met a couple of guys in the gym practicing submissions on the ground. They had an open mat day and I decided why not, I know wrestling so I should be able to hold my own. Boy was I wrong, everyone in that class that I rolled with proceded to submit me with relative ease, even people that I outweigh by several pounds. I found out that most of those guys and girls (there were actually a couple of girls in that class) were also taking Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and that's where they're submissions came from. So that got me interested and I joined regularly.

  • My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW
    My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

    R6Laser

    The reason I ask is because one of my sons age 22 is interested in taking some sort of martial arts classes. To me it would make sense to have him take something that would provide a useful set of tools. I seems to me that Brazilian jiu-jitzu would accomplish this. Does the training provide a good all around experience...i.e. mind, body, spiritual etc... Or does it just give you a lot of confidence knowing that you could dismantle someone rather quickly and efficiently.

  • Nolita
    Nolita

    CBS Sportsline has an online article called "Debunking Ultimate Fighting Myths." It's an interesting read for those who may be concerned about injuries and brutality of MMA-related sports.

    It should be noted: MMA fighters are impressively skilled and, in the professional organizations such as PRIDE and UFC, the referees will not let a guy simply get the crap kicked out of him. These are not no-holds barred, bare-knuckle grudge matches. If someone ceases to intelligently defend themselves, the fight is stopped. Interestingly, the level of respect and sportsmanship shown amongst the fighters is practically unparalleled in any other competitive sport I've seen. (I will say, there are some tough-talking jerks, but for the most part...)

    This is definitely a sport that needs to be regulated, but as far as I am concerned, it is no worse than football, boxing, basketball, wrestling or any other push-your-body-as-far-as-it-can-go endeavor.

    Of course, if you don't care for it, that's entirely your right, but don't interfere with my right to admire the abilities of such skilled and dedicated athletes.

  • Dr Zhivago
    Dr Zhivago

    We used to watch UFC. It was interesting to see the different styles of training coming against each other. I do wonder whether it's a true picture of what works and doesn't work though. In the martial arts I've trained in the emphasis was on maiming or killing as quickly and efficiently as possible (with bare hands or whatever is at hand for a weapon). These strikes obviously cannot be allowed in a "friendly match". In fact, that's the reason why there's also such a heavy emphasis on discipline and non-aggression.

    DrZ

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    The human body was not designed to take this type of abuse. One only has to look at former boxers to see the effects of constant fighting, and they use padded gloves. Detached retinas, internal injuries, and permanent neurological problems are common. The people who are now taking part in these activities will reap the consequences-if not now, with some of the things described, then later in life. Perhaps the ones who engage in this sport are lacking in self esteem and somehow feel this is what they must do to "prove themselves" or "be a man." I do not know what to say about those who enjoy watching the suffering of others, even if it is engaged in voluntarily. I guess it tells alot about the human condition.

  • buriram
    buriram

    Loved it when it first came out , Gracie , Shamrock, and Ortiz kicking Shamrocks ass, Chris Riddell , all dudes

  • R6Laser
    R6Laser

    R6Laser

    The reason I ask is because one of my sons age 22 is interested in taking some sort of martial arts classes. To me it would make sense to have him take something that would provide a useful set of tools. I seems to me that Brazilian jiu-jitzu would accomplish this. Does the training provide a good all around experience...i.e. mind, body, spiritual etc... Or does it just give you a lot of confidence knowing that you could dismantle someone rather quickly and efficiently.

    On my opinion Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is a great art to learn. Alot also depends on the instructor and how he or she teaches the class and what purpose the training is for. My instructor would start the class with excercises then we would start different drills depending on the technique we were trying to learn. Finally after class, it was open mat, where you could basically choose a partner and practice what you learned on the day. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu basically revolves around being on the ground most of the time, even though there is also stand up, and that might turn some people off. That's why our instructor also incorporated some standup like muay-thai so that you learn both and are well rounded. I don't know if you have seen Sport Jiu-Jitsu in action but its pretty intense, basically imagine wrestling with submission moves.

    One thing that helped me was like I said getting into an open mat session first without signing up full time. I think most schools do that now, where you can go in to the class and try it out for one or two sessions and see if that's what you want.

    There's a lot of misconceptions about mixed martial arts, but it has to do with all these years of promoters who didn't care for the sport and only wanted to show people beating up each other. The martial artist who actually trains and does it because they find it fun are very skilled, and it takes a lot of hard work to become good at it.

    As far as the saying that the gloves used in Ultimate Fighting are not safe, that's another myth. Do a search on it and you'll find many reasons on why. Take for example Boxing where the objective is to hit someone as many times as you can in the head. Just because the glove is bigger doesn't mean its not doing damage. Also in Ultimate Fighting you don't get hit on the head as much as in boxing, there are many ways to stop a fight. The boxing glove was built to protect the hands of the boxer not the head. Research it on your own and you'll see that even with all this bad rep, mixed martial arts is not as dangerous as boxing, or other sports. Sports in general are going to be dangerous, take for example football, soccer and so on. Hell its more dangerous me driving my motorcycle down the street!

    Engaging in mixed martial arts or stepping up in the ring has nothing to do with self esteem. I guess if you haven't trained or experienced it you can't really now what's the motivating factor. Once again I'm talking about trained fighters not these guys who go to a bar and just sign up to a toughman contest and beat each other up withou knowledge of the sport. I also found that when either stepping in the ring or sparring with someone, there's certain respect that you have for your opponent and when its all said and done it all ends with either a handshake or bowing down if you are in a traditional martial arts school.

  • Dr Zhivago
    Dr Zhivago

    Quandry,
    The same can be said for any sporting activity. My nephew was in hockey as a child and is going to suffer for the rest of his life from injuries sustained. Him and myriads of others. Sports push the body to its maximum and beyond. Injuries are the result. In my opinion, holding one up as worse than the others usually comes down to personal taste. People can overlook and justify the injuries in the sports they enjoy, but condemn the ones they don't.

    DrZ

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