Sex with your divorced mate scripturally wrong?

by Fatfreek 27 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • The Dragon
    The Dragon

    Don't you have to know and understand the Scriptures completely before making that kind of assertion? Or rely on guesses and possibly mislead someone by telling them it is right or wrong?

    Does anyone claim to have a complete understanding of God and His Bible and consider themselves qualified to tell others what He does or does not want or like? I wish I could read God's mind and know His thoughts...But that would take all the mystery out of it and nothing to search for...I will just sit back and watch as you present them to me...and accept them as His wishes unquestioningly. Is that what you want?

    Get a grip.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Does anyone claim to have a complete understanding of God and His Bible and consider themselves qualified to tell others what He does or does not want or like?

    Yes the Governing Body of the WTS

  • The Dragon
    The Dragon

    Think God will hold them responsible for misleading people with their guesses and arrogance...claiming to know His thoughts and wishes...and telling others He told them in secret so they could have authority over us..rather than telling us Himself?

    The word self-exaltation comes to mind.

    Think that is what God wanted and planned?

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    w82

    9/1p.31QuestionsFromReaders?

    "If a faithful christian wife has been divorced by her husband,though neither of them is guilty of adultery,would it be Scripturally proper for her to share the marital bed with him when he visits the family?

    God’s Word clearly indicates that sex relations are proper between a husband and a wife, not between unmarried persons. Hence, a divorced couple should not have sex relations with each other, for that would amount to fornication, but not freeing them for remarriage.

    Christians, understandably, are concerned primarily about God’s views and directions. His Word specifically advises: "Let marriage be honorable among all, and the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge fornicators and adulterers." (Hebrews 13:4) Let us consider what bearing that has on the situation raised in the question.

    In many parts of the earth it is common for a man and a woman to engage in sexual relations without being married. Some claim that this is both morally fitting and acceptable to God as long as the two are in "love" or have made a commitment to each other. That, however, is not the Christian view. Appreciating that "God will judge fornicators and adulterers," Christians want to avoid both adultery and fornication.

    When a man and a woman get married they establish before all that they are united as husband and wife. In the sight of the law, society and God, they have a right to share in the privileges of marriage, including marital relations. The Scriptures, in fact, urge mates not to withhold from each other the sexual due: "The husband should satisfy his wife sexually. In the same way, the wife should satisfy her husband’s sexual needs."—1 Corinthians 7:3, Simple English Bible.What, though, if a couple gets a mere separation, which is legally possible in some lands? Since they are still husband and wife legally and Scripturally, they must not share in marital relations with anyone else, for to do so would be adultery that would ‘defile their marital bed.’ But a separated couple have the option of making up again and of living together as the married couple that they are, after legally canceling their separation.—1 Corinthians 7:10, 11.

    Consider next the situation of when one mate, for example the husband, takes matters farther than a separation and gets a divorce. A faithful Christian wife who later learned that (before or after divorcing her) he had been morally unfaithful could remarry, considering her former marriage ended both legally and in the eyes of Jehovah God. On the other hand, if there was a legal divorce but no adultery, the divorce would not of itself end the marriage in God’s view, for the Bible shows that immorality by one’s mate is the only valid basis for a divorce.—Matthew 19:6, 9.

    That is the situation with the case in question, for it is definitely stated that no immorality has occurred. The husband left his wife and got an unscriptural divorce. As a consequence of that divorce they are no longer man and wife in the full sense, for he terminated the marriage legally. So what if he visited his family and wanted to satisfy his or her sexual needs? For them to have sex relations would, legally and in the view of the community, be essentially the same as two unmarried persons having sexual relations; it would be tantamount to fornication.

    In that situation no third party is involved, as would be needed to give Scriptural substance to the legal divorce; so in God’s sight neither the man nor the woman would be free to marry other individuals. (1 Corinthians 6:16-18) Yet their having sex relations with each other certainly would be in disregard of God’s advice; to a degree they would be defiling the marriage bed since their legal marriage ended with the divorce. This conduct would bring reproach on them and on the Christian congregation of which the wife was a part. So, for her to remain in the congregation, she should avoid sex relations unless the marriage is made legal again. She should hold to the Scriptural and morally upright stand that sex relations should be limited only to legal marriage mates. She thus would add to the dignity that the Bible shows marriage deserves."

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    this is one of those damned if you do and damned if you don't situations. I know I was in it.

    I had grounds from my ex to divorce.. BUT only by his own admission and by the word of worldly witnesses who they refused to take as evdidence and my ex refused to admit to them, only to me. So I was told I did not have a scriptural divorce. Thus I was told I could not date again.

    Two yrs later he and I did have sex again.. in a weak moment..

    We both ended up in committe meetings over that.. because he told his elder father who was going to rat us out, so I ran and told first..

    what a crap shoot.. reminder how messed up they are..

    and yes.. we were both reprimanded.. not sure what happened to him, but I lost all my priviledges.. no commenting at meetings, oh.. but I was forced to still go in field service.. gotta get those magazines places ya know!

  • The Dragon
    The Dragon

    Did you really do anything wrong?

    Or were you relying upon their judgement to tell you if you did or not?

  • Fatfreek
    Fatfreek

    Ah, BluesBrother -- a great piece of sleuthing to find that WT question from readers.

    And, so predictable, the WT answer. When in doubt, the JW can always "wait on Jehovah" -- er, wait on the GB's self-described ability to read between Bible lines. If it doesn't say anything directly, they will be there to fill in the blanks they think the followers so desperately need.

    We have here a classic case of a couple which has been deemed acceptable by both parties -- God (in his eyes they are always married despite a Caesar divorce) and Caesar (in their eyes, at least in 42 U.S. states, who no longer cares if the two decides to cohabit again) .

    Kinda gives you a warm fuzzy feeling that we have some third party janitorial comittee willing and able to step in to cast judgment which can, in turn, result in their patented shunning and everything that goes with it?

    Fats

  • tijkmo
    tijkmo

    yes ironic isnt it that unscriptural divorce doesnt allow you to remarry

    but doesnt allow you to have sex with your ex..

    interestingly the org doesnt care if separated folk get back together for sex..

    i was thinking about this recently with regard to an innocent mate's decision to forgive an adulterous one...often the real test of forgiveness comes when sex is attempted...it could well be that an innocent mate could in their mind and even in their heart come to terms with the betrayal and decide to accept back their mate..they may accept that the mate is genuinely sorry and be prepared to forgive..not just because they are told to..or for the children..but because they really really want to..and yet when they try to have sex there is a block that ultimately becomes impossible to overcome..or having engaged in sex they decide that they simply could not do that again..ever..

    but according to the org...the innocent party is stuck with that decision

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    but according to the org...the innocent party is stuck with that decision

    The org. sucks, don't it?

  • The Dragon
    The Dragon

    What if a child is born from the act that goes on to save millions of lives? Was it still "wrong"?

    can a wrong go on to defeat a "wrong" at a later date?

    Or shall I start a new topic to find out the answer?

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