Yes..JWD is a perfect example...OUTLAW
Do 'Cult Deprogramers' Work?
by Outaservice 19 Replies latest jw friends
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Oroborus21
It has worked and could work. But depending on how it is done it could be illegal. Secondly, it might not work and may not work on most persons.
Hassan's newer method takes a more holistic approach to the problem and he reports good success with it.
its best to seek alternatives to 1970s-style deprogramming.
-Eduardo
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Dogpatch
Choosing Life says,
It all depends how much one has invested in the cult and whether they are anywhere close to being ready to question their "one true way to salvation".
I disagree, I have worked with all kinds and the mind is more malleable than you would like to think. All it depends on is if they are willing to listen long and hard enough. The ones who can't listen will bolt to protect their sanity.
Randy
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mouthy
"CONVINCE A MAN AGAINST HIS WILL_HE HAS THE SAME OPINION STILL"
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Gadget
Adults have the right to make their own decisions, even if we disagree with those decisions.
Damn right they do. They also have the right to make their own decisions without others deciding for them. If this is happening wihtout their knowledge, like in a cult situation, I think they need to be told about it so they are then able to make their won deecisions with ALL the facts to hand.
You can only give a hand to those who want to leave.
I think thats what I liked so much about Steve Hassans second book, instead of only being able to help people already on their way out he explains how to do 'mini interactions' to get them thinking and kick start them on the process.
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Mr. Kim
Each person will follow the desire deep within their heart...........even if it is in conflict with rational, logical thinking.
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Check_Your_Premises
Randy,
I was initially very optimistic and worked very hard to apply Hassan's principles with my wife.
Something I have realized is that my wife very desperately NEEDS to believe in the jw. It is more than that she is simply in a mind control situation. Before his methods will work I have to address and help lessen her need.
The other problem I had with Hassan's books is they don't adequately address how significantly more complicated the situation is when you are married to a jw, and have children. It is very difficult to balance the need to gain the trust of your cult member spouse with the need to protect your children from the indoctrination. I have had to make a very difficult decision to focus on protecting my children even if it means damaging trust with my wife.
Other than that, those books are invaluable!!! Read them, read them, digest them, read them again. Practice, practice practice!!! Look at every encounter with a dub as an opportunity to hone your cult-busting skills.
CYP
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frankiespeakin
Yes I think the work to answer the question of this thread.
But there ethical questions, such as loss of friends and family member still loyal to the cult once the person leaves the cult. I think discussion groups and internet blogs are a great way to deprogam some one and not force it on a person.
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Dogpatch
I agree check_your_premises, but it is also almost impossible to be the intervention therapist AND a member of the family in most cases. They look at you differently. When I go in I would have 15 minutes to get their trust in me or they would often bolt. But if they already knew me or the other strategist, or as in the case of Moonies who train people about interventions, it is also very difficult. Plant the seeds and let others water them. Also, she needs to have something more attractive or promising than the dubs or there is nowhere to go in your mind. It can be a good church, new social atmosphere, new location, etc. even a new philosophy on life.
Randy
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jwfacts
it is also almost impossible to be the intervention therapist AND a member of the family in most cases. They look at you differently. .... Plant the seeds and let others water them.
Dogpatch, totally agree. A friend of mine had stopped going to meetings, but his wife remained a pioneer. She disregarded everything he said about the WTS. Then one day she was researching for a bible study and stumbled across 587 in an encyclopedia. Within a week she had stopped going to meetings, and d/f within 4 weeks. The husband had nothing to do with her starting to leave, but when the right thing hit her everything that he had said over time suddenly all made sense.
Another friend is married to a worldly person. He spent 3 years telling her the WTS is a cult. She refused to listen because he was 'just' her husband. But then she spoke to an xJW that she trusted and again, almost instantaneously she realised it was not the truth.
Most JWs have doubts, and over time build up enough knowledge to be able to work out it is not the truth. They just need to right trigger at the right time, and as you say, an alternative to go to.