Chernobyl Legacy. (Mature Content)

by Sparkplug 23 Replies latest social current

  • Sparkplug
    Sparkplug

    No I was not there, but I always have to watch this intro and then the actual document over and over in my dreams at night. I have a hard time believing how horrible we humans can be. Doing something for the sake of seeing if we can do it and never stoping to think that maybe we should not be doing it. Some of the power we harness, really...we don't need. If we never had to have another human go through what these people have had to deal with, I would give up all comforts of life. Hell, I don't even know if any of my comforts of life would qualify as anything that the production would cause anything like this.

    thus....I dream or nightmare (if you wish) of crap like this.

    Careful. It is rough viewing. Here is the link if the embedded page is difficult to see. It is a bit long, but once started I cannot hardly be torn away.this is what I want to photograph someday. Document. ? No I do not want this kind of thing to happen, but I do want to capture life as it is. People need made aware. With time I will find my nitch.

    http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essays/chernobyl.aspx

  • Sparkplug
    Sparkplug

    I guess I should add that after intro you need to click on the Chernobyl Legacy and then play at the bottom of the page.

  • MegaDude
    MegaDude

    Powerful. And powerfully sad.

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    So very, very sad.

    This was, and still is, an awful tragedy, and it could have been prevented. That to me is the worst part about it.

  • JH
    JH

    Thanks for the video clip.

    I live about 10 miles from a nuclear power plant, and I don't like it.

  • bebu
    bebu

    That is so heartbreaking. I didn't know that there was 200x the cesium than released in Japan's 2 bombs.

    So long ago... and the children are still bearing the consequences.

    Thanks for keeping this in front of us. May God help them wherever we cannot.

    bebu

  • under_believer
    under_believer

    It is powerfully sad, but the rest of your post is bogus. Retreating from technology is not the answer to mankind's problems. We are going to need nuclear energy this century if we're going to get by, unless billions of humans die before their time, or the birthrate drops drastically.

    How does a huge accident prove to you how horrible humans can be? If you want evidence of that look at the Holocaust, or Hiroshima. Chernobyl wasn't evil. You also mischaracterize nuclear energy as "doing something for the sake of seeing if we can do it." In reality, as I already mentioned, we have a drastic and dire need for clean, limitless energy (which, though it may be hard to believe and it seems ironic, nuclear energy is.) And yes, we really do need the power.

    Anytime mankind discovers new tech there are bound to be mistakes and problems, and while nuclear mistakes are dire (witness Three Mile Island and Chernobyl) the current generation of nuclear reactors are much safer and more foolproof. Also Chernobyl had many problems that related, not to the technology being used, but to shoddy Soviet shortcut engineering.

    Look at the French use of nuclear energy--they have 58 nuclear reactors country-wide, with never a mistake, an accident, a containment breach, anything. 76% of the nation's power comes from these nuclear plants. Their electricity prices are low, stable, and don't go up every time OPEC decides to jack around the planet's oil supply. And they don't contribute anything to global warming--a French person is responsible for the emission of 1.8 times less CO2 than a German and 2.9 times less than an American. If their nuclear plants were replaced with coal or oil plants, their emissions would go up by 360 million tons of CO2 a year.

  • metatron
    metatron

    While I'm not a fan of nuclear power, I think the tragedy of Chernobyl should properly be blamed on the corrupt, materialistic Soviet system

    not the nuclear power industry. The whole thing was stupid beyond belief. Number one: in the USA, we have "containment vessels",

    enormous steel enclosures that protect the reactor and seal it off. If all else fails, it's still "contained" - which is one reason why Three Mile

    Island didn't make the mess that Chernobyl did. Point number two: what sort of crazy people would build a huge nuclear

    out of graphite? Imagine the sort of fire hazard created by a mountain of coal bricks and you're close to the nutball reality here.

    The Soviets also had "retirement" homes filled with sub sailors with cancer and no hair because their submarine reactors were crappy,

    dangerous and badly shielded. Admiral Hyman Rickover was appalled (US Navy).

    By the way, I hope we can completely avoid building any more nuclear power plants - but that's getting off topic.

    metatron

  • Sparkplug
    Sparkplug

    Ok, under believer-You are looking for a war when there is not one.

    Calling my post bogus is your opinion just as it is my opinion that "If we never had to have another human go through what these people have had to deal with, I would give up all comforts of life. Hell, I don't even know if any of my comforts of life would qualify as anything that the production would cause anything like this." That is my opinion and feelings. Will this happen? Can I go live in a cave? Is it realistic? Probably not. Taking a post that makes us aware of human stupidity and turning it into a rant on nuclear whatever the f*** you are trying to make it is your prerogative; I just was just showing you something that bothers me. I realize that technology has made a vast amount of lives lived possible.

    By showing this huge accident does not by any means negate Holocaust, or Hiroshima or freaking Bush and his personal war. Retreating from technology is not possible at this point and healing these poor people is not either. So really what is your rant? Because I chose to comment on this corner...this portion of the world...does this automatically make you think I am as simpleminded as to leave the rest of the motives, intent, plausibility and all of the intricacies out of my mindset? For simplicities sake I chose to comment on just this part. Just this. Perhaps you do not know me well enough to know that I actually had a lot of the Hiroshima incident in my head when I wrote, "doing something for the sake of seeing if we can do it". If I am not mistaken we did not have to do any of that. It was stated to the president that it was not at all necessary. That was truly a case of doing something just to see if we could do it.

    I feel you have taken a sentence and made a freaking novel out of it. Just the opposite of the awareness that I was hoping to bring into this post. This is not all about nuclear power. I think on a different page than you such as I could go into all the ins and outs of each issue you bring up. Really, I was speaking more of the pain that I feel for these people and how if I had to give most all back I would so that these people would not have to go through all of this. Furthermore, I take photos. I surely would not wish disaster for the sake of a photo. But as it stands disaster is going to happen. Life will hurt. People will continue to do what they do. I would like to bring these images to the people so each person seeing it can change what they can to better their portion of the world. Obviously there may only be a few in this whole board that could even be near enough to do anything first hand for these children of Chernobyl or in assistance to the direction of nuclear energy.

    Having a relative recently ex relative responsible for the maintenance of the cores of nuclear plants, I would say from many a night talking with him...the worse has not come yet and the debate on energy and sources could go on forever...and in this house it has. I, the point of this post was on a whole different page than you read it as. But same as the Bible…..It was there for you to take and you were correct to take it as you did and so were the people who chose not to....so....what can I say? To each his own fight or not. I personally was not up to yet another fight on nuclear plants and energy. I was up to the skills and heart the photographer has. I was up to the people that care for these kids. I was into the life these children and the families of them lead. I was more into what an awful accident this was. I was not into the Three Mile Island debate and the difference in the regulated and unregulated differences in the Russia we knew and where it is now. Just a glance back. Jus a reminder that this happens and we all need to watch what we do. Be aware and not in the aware bystander who does not give a shit.

    Do I want to go back to the triangle shirt coat fire and all of the horrors such an unregulated world brings. Do I want to go back to a coalminer’s life? Do I want to go back to my own step dads mercury poisoned system and all the crazy ass shit he pulled because of the things that were not watched?

    Or do I care to live in my other step dads world that makes clean up and prevention plans for oil and natural disasters for Shell oil and such like companies. I say seeing we cannot all go live in the simple world and if we did we would be right back where we were before with bodies burning and epidemics and all the things that come with it all. Heck while we are at it I am sure a few of us could use leaches and lobotomies and bleedings all around. Let us work more wise and aware. That is all.

    Can we not talk about my opinion without attacking my integrity? My feelings are not bogus but the fact that you would have a knee jerk reaction and go on a rant about Adam to Armageddon is in close resemblance to a "blind mans charge." Why attack opinion or feelings. These are the most human and personal of things and although misguided at times and open to change, everyone has one and each according to how they arrived there has their own and each according to themselves is correct.

    Jeez. Who are you fighting?

  • under_believer
    under_believer

    Holy cow, I wasn't expecting another Chernobyl right here in the thread. You appear to have chosen your name with care.

    Now, just settle down.

    I wasn't attacking you, I was stating an opinion on your post. Do you have this reaction to everyone who says you're wrong? I really wasn't upset or ranting on "everything from Adam to Armageddon." Perhaps it was the word "bogus" that lit your fuse? In any case I don't think you're simpleminded, nor did I think I was attacking your integrity. I didn't even think I was fighting.

    And contrary to what you claim, your post wasn't about awareness of human stupidity, except for how you perceive it relating to the use of nuclear power. I quote you:

    I have a hard time believing how horrible we humans can be. Doing something for the sake of seeing if we can do it and never stoping to think that maybe we should not be doing it. Some of the power we harness, really...we don't need.

    And that is mostly what I was responding to. This is a standard anti-technology luddite "look at what we've wrought" appeal to emotion. I just had to say something. And besides, your post is tainted by its association with Fusco's work, which is all about nuclear power--do not forget Chernobyl, he admonishes, at peril of your morality and your future.

    I wept when I first saw the pictures from Chernobyl when they became widely available. I wept again a decade later when I became interested in the story for a high school report. And I wept again when I saw the photos you posted. There's no fixing what happened. If I could fix those people, I would. If there was anything I could do to prevent it from happening again, I would. But I can't.

    There's not even anything to learn from it, other than carpe diem. We can remember their legacy and we can weep for them, but that's about it.

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