Chernobyl Legacy. (Mature Content)

by Sparkplug 23 Replies latest social current

  • HAL9000
    HAL9000

    Chernobyl was a disaster of mammoth proportions - we will be living with its legacy for who knows how long. Sparkplug's comment

    "doing something for the sake of seeing if we can do it".

    also pretty well sums up the way humanity gets itself into these situations: a significant contributing factor to the Chernobyl disaster was fact that an experiment went very very wrong and that many / most of the control / safety systems were disabled.

    Science and its allied technologies are great, but without controls they can be disasters waiting to happen: many scientists / businesses / governments seem to be either oblivious to the consequences of their actions or are uncaring of those consequences.

    Sparkplug, I feel your dismay at what happened there, but it is even more frightening to realise that it is really just the very prominent tip of an environmental iceberg.

    Think also of Bhopal and other similar places - they have similar sorry stories to tell. Exposure, regardless of whether it is nuclear, chemical or biological is an apalling thing to inflict on anyone or anything, and the path back from that exposure can be either difficult or impossible.

    h9k

    Information on Chernobyl is on the International Atomic Agency Website at www.iaea.org - Search on Chernobyl

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    Forgive me for a moment of self-absorption, but one thing that I'll always remember about Chernoybl was it happened while I was in a psychiatric hospital in the throes of a serious mental breakdown. Everytime I read about it, or see images, I always remember those feelings. A very weird, and disembodied time.

  • Sparkplug
    Sparkplug

    Yes Bogus lit my fuse.

    Not many say I am wrong because I usually will tell you up front that I am wrong in so many ways. I do not put on false pretenses of being right. And in this instance I do not feel I am wrong. Stating an opinion is not bogus. Perhaps I should clarify that if you are to say things that offend then expect a fight. I find it offensive that you call my post bogus. I feel it was a bit uncalled for but it has made my night amusing and kept my mind bright. At any rate, regarding my quote, you are absolutely right, but how you jumped from my statement to the assumption that I am relating it to nuclear power ONLY is beyond me. Maybe you read it in context and that is alright too and perhaps I did not expand enough to cover all aspects that possibly could be brought into this discussion.

    To me, power is not always what we hold in the form of nuclear. For instance....You had the power to call my post bogus. Did you stop to think if you should or not? Did you have a morbid curiosity if it would push my buttons. How fast can she explode? Can we make a battle? Do you see what I am getting at? We have the power for a million things be it nuclear energy or buying processed meat and we humans do not stop to think if we should in all cases.

    Please do not say offensive things and then tell me to settle down. I actually am very calm. I cannot stand when people do that. It is a very silly thing to do in my opinion, and I stand by that. It is like passing gas and running. WTF? You let off a foul remark, now expect for me to discuss things with you with a funny look on my face. (so to speak)

    For instace again. Power to influence people. Do we really need this? Should we really have the right to influence a nation of people to take actions this way or that. Should a religion have the power to choose who lives who dies who is shunned, who rules? There is tangible power and there are things untangible. For instance, I smoke. Should I? No. My Vegitarian friend smokes, yet she thinks I suck because I smoke Marlboro and she a completely non toxic etc...blah blah blah blah.... Mine are made in America by of age workers. Hers by underage workers. Do you see my point? She has the power to influence and the right to smoke? We both have the right to do whatever. But should we. She promotes probably underage working and when it comes down to it we both are in the wrong by smoking in the first place.

    THE THINGS WE PEOPLE DO. I will say it again. There are small things we can change if we are aware of what we change by our actions.

    Then again you say tainted. Maybe it is just a different taste in seasonings. I cannot see how you can hold a man who went and did something that I may be assuming, but I think you have not, as being a substance that would taint anything. He brought you photos that made you cry. You were moved and you felt. That is his job. He did it well.

    I think there is a lot we can learn from everything. Like I learned that I did not like being called bogus over an opinion and a proverbial olive branch is not really one when coated with only a veneer of peace.

    Sparkplug comes from my crazy hair and not my temper. There is another name for that I have been given and that was a long time ago. And as a reminder I am not mad right now. I think we just read a portion of what each person was saying and ran with it. Personally because I don't say die easy I think you ran further.

    Now...

    TEX- I don't think it is self absorption. I think it is appropriate that this is where you were when this happened. It seems to just feel like it would for if one were in that position and perhaps the seeing of people in such a hopeless place may have somewhere made you see how much you had before you. Or maybe now when you get blue...(as I know I do) It may be a great reference point. If I am not in a mental ward in Chernobyl, and eating out of a dish totally void of knowledge, then I must be ok. This all will get better. You are an amazing person Tex-

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

    It broke my heart to see the agonies that we know exist too much already multiplied by such numbers as to make one weep. I have seen things that would break your heart, and some of them as bad as anything you pictured-but I was not in a community filled with the expectation and reality of it happening to so many. The sheer volume of what is happening there is heartbreaking. I was thinking that the little girl at the end-who died-had it much better than some who yet live-with the tumors, the cancer, the mental and physical disabilities that cannot be overcome-no matter how much we would wish or work for them to be. It is some comfort that we live in a 'safer' kind of place, but the reality is that we are only as 'safe' as the people in charge make it to be. THAT is scary.

  • under_believer
    under_believer

    I apologize for calling your post bogus--in reality I only objected to three sentences of it. It was an exaggeration on my part and was uncalled for. Any offense given was unintended; but not necessarily unwarranted on your part. I am at fault.

    I stand by my opinion regarding your comments that I quoted in my previous post. You are trying to generalize them and apply them to many things, but it is clear what your intent was in posting those three specific sentences, and I still don't agree with them.

    Nevertheless I regret acting the troll, even if it was inadvertent. If you review my posting history or are passing familiar with me, you will know that this sort of event is very rare or possibly even unheard of from me (my arguments with neocons notwithstanding.) I'm not certain what came over me.

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Spent some time at that site Sparkplug. Thanks for sharing. I didn't understand the timeline all that well, it could have used more explanations of why they powered down and was testing some cooling system. It seems like the whole thing could have been avoided, but as already mentioned, they built it out of graphite... GRAPHITE! I'm no engineer, but you've gotta be kidding me.

  • Sparkplug
    Sparkplug

    Information on Chernobyl is on the International Atomic Agency Website at www.iaea.org - Search on Chernobyl

    Hal I have bookmarked this. I think I see some great reading coming on.

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    I just finished looking at a link that says there will be a dome built over the #4 reactor by 2008. I hope construction is well under way. Chernobyl is way too dangerous with just that concrete shell, no doubt alot of leakage. That site also showed pictures of abandoned equipment used at the site after the explosion, I never thought about how dangerous that equipment must still be today. And those poor kids, born with so many health problems.

    I could go on. It has been a long time since I thought about Chernobyl, thanks.

    (I have my browser with 3 windows open. I keep clicking back to it and looking around.)

  • acadian
    acadian

    Hi sparkplug! under_believer said:

    There's not even anything to learn from it, other than carpe diem.

    How about it's not a clean and safe energy source! But That's ok, their making munitions from the spend fuel rods.(Depleted Uranium) Good Stuff... Heck, instead of burying the stuff, let's make bombs out of it, boy what a great idea! And scatter the stuff all over the country side another good idea! It can be a sad world we live in, Thank's Sparkplug for your insight and thought's Peace
    Acadian

  • under_believer
    under_believer

    Acadian, in the long run, the human cost from generating electricity from hydroelectric and hydrocarbon sources will far eclipse anything that Chernobyl has to offer, as dramatic and tragic as it was. This isn't speculation.

    It's like being afraid to fly--when an airliner crashes it's dramatic and tragic and horrible, but cars claim far more lives, both in total and by percentage of hours traveled, than airplanes do. They are the safest way to travel.

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