Wow, this might be something to show my in laws!
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The heavenly resurrection of 1918: "An interesting possibility"
by AnnOMaly 25 Replies latest watchtower bible
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carla
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truthsetsonefree
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sir82
see this thread:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/124957/1.ashx
...for another "interesting possibility".
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DanTheMan
Wait a minute, didn't the recent 'Isaiah' books mention 1918 like 697 times or something??
Bend over JW's, time for another doctrinal shift where the old dogma will be scarcely recognized, and couched in the typical 'In times past, some Christians used to believe XYZ' phraseology.
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Malachi Elijah
The resoning behind this is Satan had put the kingdom into jail. Though no control over what was in heaven, he attempts to control the heavens on earth, the spiritual heavens of churches, and the spiritual heavens as governments. By being freed from prison terms, the men who were in spiritual heaven on earth wer no longer dead, they were raised up, freed to no longer be imprisoned (because the next time will be Satan's attempt to kill them as he killed Jesus). However, how can the last saints, the feet of the bride, or the feet of Christ's body be raised up and freed on earth much less raised up to heaven unless the rest of the bride in heaven was there doing so.
Therefore, it woulds seem the bride was taken to heaven, to free and loosen her feet on earth. Since the prison terms were freed in 1918, no one proved to have any bind on them as they were released by the 129,000 in heaven (or 134,000).
AS FOR REPLYING TO THOSE WHO SAY HOW COME RUSSELL ISNT APOSTATE FOR TEACHING RESURFRECTION BEFORE REALITY
You perplex the situation on Paul saying that the resurrection had not taken place yet while two others said it was taking place and converting others to believe that. If we are to accept Paul in saying that the ressurrection has not start yet with a coming return of Jesus, then when can we say it has started? a 4000 years form now? million years form now? Some where somebosy has to have the insight to see and know it has started. So basically it says Paul could see it hadn't and the two felt they could see it had. So which side is apostate? Not Paul because Paul is amongst the organizers not the students. If the students are a birth of a new kingdom, the real kingdom, let them leave Paul and the apostles and go form their own kingdom of God. Therefore, you say Russell is an apostate contrary to Jesus for being wrong about a resurrection started that hadn't started. If it were up to you, you would say it still hasnt started. In fact perhaps dying in Armageddon you would say this cant be armageddon because the resurrection hasnt started. Or will you too then say it has already, or will you feel left out, or will you go die to be part of it? There are Adventists who still say everything is happening invisible in special past years. Where is their fwww.food4adventists.com ? Therefore, was Russell apostate to Jesus according to WatchTower? Well let the scriputre answer it. Was it Jesus who said it was apostate, or was it Paul because Jesus was in heaven! So too Jesus did not say 1878, Russell did because Jesus was in heaven not saying it, Russell was on earth saying it. No different than Pope or Orthodox rule or any other churches edicts. They all believe they speak as Jesus thru them. So what then is apostate? They all regard it as against Jesus, but simply it is against the already organized body or church (every one of them) who believes students have left the teachers, the organization. The two men had left Paul and the apostles. How can Russell leave his teacher, when he was doing the Leading? Russell can declare students of his as apostate, but how can those higher in his church who taught him do that to him if he is that head on earth. When a Leader dies and a church corrects what that l;eader once thought, they do not look at their leader as dead, and so now a sturdent, while the living replacement leaders becomes teachers. The new leaders, new teachers, are over the students, not over their dead leaders. What dead leaders have said can be corrected, but how do you declare a dead man as plucked form heaven and put in hell. How does the Pope take a man already dead out fo hell and put him in heaven, or a man in heaven and say we have found his sins and he must now leave heaven and go to hell? Your argument is ridiculous and futile. It is stagnant rather than seeing learning and advancement. You do this by pretending you accept anything contrary to truth as apostate so in that case every one is apostate 10 years ago for knowing less than they know now. You fail to see apostate is the student rejecting the teacher. The Jews felt they were teacher and Jesus was student, so to them Jesus was apostate. To the Christian congregation, Paul & apostles were leaders, so it would be these two men (the students) who are apostate. Apostate cannot mean anything contrary to truth because we all have things we beleive that we do not know are false yet. That is the only error of the WatchTower if it the orgnaization thinks it is truth until otherwise proven. You are correct, in that case a new church who accepts truth would lop the branch off the tree and the kingdom of truth born thru them instead. But is there time at this hour to start over. This is serious since Moses also knew that, pondering whether he should start over with his son as Abram did with Isaac. But it failed to occur thru his son, and enough faith existed not to be wiped out in Sinai because then Egyptians would say their own Jehovah had killed them. So which is the church replacement of this WatchTower if you wish to say their resurrection did not start yet, just as they say Russell's did not start yet? And how can you declare WatchTower as apostate to YOUR view (of truth?) if as Leaders you make yourself, the WatchTower has never been your students? NOW THIS IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT I mean ok, you think they are presumptuous in claiming where and what and how Jehovah is in his progress, in which case what do you say? or is you GOD on the toilet still taking his crap. ELIJAH