US Cowards?

by Kent 25 Replies latest jw friends

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  Kent

  What will the US do now? Will they be the ultimate cowards, and make the biggest asses in history of themselves, or will they tell the Israelis to start behaving?

  Since 2 seconds after the first plane hit the WTC, the Israelis has been busy running their own agenda - and they still are. The last, peace negotiations are off!

  Will the US stop spending billions of dollars on these terrorists - or will they be the cowards of the world?

  The support from the rest of the world may depend on just that answer!

  Yakki Da

  Kent

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  Pathofthorns

  I wouldn't call the US cowards but there does appear to be a definite double standard in their policies and actions.

  I don't think they or anyone else wants to rock the boat with certain countries, so they turn a blind eye toward them. It is that kind of hypocrisy that angers so many.

  Path
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  Tina

  I gotta agree with you on this one Path! regards,T

  Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
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  Amazing

  Hi Kent: I would like to understand your post a little better. Would you mind expanding some on what you mean? As an American, I don't wake up every morning thinking about the cowardly thing to do. And so, I am not convinced that our political leaders are thinking like cowards. But, somehow, when I read respones from folks across the Atlantic that express frustration with the USA, I have a hard time understanding the concern and the allegations.

  You said, "What will the US do now? Will they be the ultimate cowards, and make the biggest asses in history of themselves, or will they tell the Israelis to start behaving?"

  I have read pro-Palestinian books that expose their concerns with Israel, concerns on their face value appear extremely legitmate. Yet, I also see that as soon as some Peace Accord is worked out at Camp David or Oslo, then the next things is that some Palestinian sets off a car bomb at an Israeli restaurant. What should Israel do? What do you recommend? And what role should the USA play?

  You said, "Since 2 seconds after the first plane hit the WTC, the Israelis has been busy running their own agenda - and they still are. The last, peace negotiations are off!"

  My impression is that Israel takes these actions as postures until the dust settles. They have been participating in peace talks a long time, as have the PLO, but it seems from news reports here that the PLO will break peace, kill some people, and Israel retaliates very heavily. Israel seems to see the PLO as bully-thugs who never keep their word on peace. Israelis were invited to be there during WWII, and as citizens they should be able to be part of the government. But somehow the Jews eventually outnumbered the PLO. And the PLO seems to see Israel as oppressors who occupy and control what was once their country. How is peace possible under these circumstances? It seems obvious that when these peoples divided between territory, they would not share in mutual government. Suppose they merged the PLO and ISrael and had a unified government? That does not seem possible.

  You said, "Will the US stop spending billions of dollars on these terrorists - or will they be the cowards of the world?"

  What terrorists do you speak of that the US spends billions on? If you mean helping some group gain freedom, such as was done in Afghanistan to help Bin Laden rersist the Soviets, then that is an unfortunate error. It is hard to predict that when you help a group that they will turn against you. That was also true with Iraq. The USA helped them to fight Iran, and then Saddam turned around and got a big ego, and took Kuwait.

  If you mean Israel, I find it difficult to view them as terrorists. They do not, to my knowledge export their conduct to other nations. There are no Israelis who crash planes or car bombs into nations that support the PLO. From my vantage point, it seems all of Israel's actions are in self-defense. A bunch of thugs will come down from Lebanon and attack and kill Jews in northern Israel. The Labanese governemtn either cannot or will not do anything to stop the thugs, so Israel sends its army up into Lebanon and strikes back. Israel does hit back 10 times harder, but that is the way of war. Israel tends to target terrorists and their compounds. I don't recall any incident where Israel kills innocent civilians as do terrorists, although some have been killed because they were in the wrong place, they were not targets.

  I am not trying to justify or defend Israel. I am giving my perspective as it comes to me via the media. I do try to listen to various media, including BBC and at times some middle east news networks are broadcast here with translation. I am just simply trying to understand what the truth is, and how the USA has gotten into the unholy position of being attacked by terrorists.

  Thanks. - Amazing
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  Farkel

  Kent,

  Add up the square miles of real estate occupied by Arab nations on this planet. Then add up the square miles of real estate occupied by Israelis on this planet. This little exercise should convince you that the Palestinians don't exactly have no place else to go.

  Also, many Arab leaders have foresworn their goal is to eradicate Israelis from this planet. Period. Tell me, have you ever heard an Israeli ever say that about Arabs?

  Lastly, why have no MAJOR Arab religios leaders flat out condemned Osama bin Laden and his mob and demanded swift and certain justice. Why have no hoards of Arabs clamored to join the effort to smoke that bastard out?

  I'll tell you why: Arabs are barbarians, that's why. Even those individuals who've decried the violence with regards to Israel/Palestinians, when called to the carpet, will not flat-out admit that Israel has a right to that very little peace of dirt in the Middle East. Who started the 6 day war, anyway? All the major Arab nations made war against Israel, and Israel kicked their asses. They haven't forgotten and they still want their revenge. As I said, they are barbarians. When have you ever seen an Israeli suicide-bomber attack an Arab community? Arabs are barbarians.

  In the last few weeks, on radio talk shows, I've heard the same pattern played time-and-time again: some Arab calls up and says he has been a loyal Arab-American for 30 years, blah, blah, and this "doesn't represent the thinking of of most Arabs and Islam," blah, blah, blah, yet when pressed, they refuse to condemn their fellow Arabs, NOR will they volunteer to help bring them to justice.

  Am I painting Arabs with a broad brush? Not at all. I'm painting them with a huge paint bucket. They are flat-out hypocrites, and the more they try to soft-peddle it, the more it shows.

  Farkel

  "When in doubt, duck!"
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  hillary_step

  Farkel

  lol...Stop speaking in vague and abstract terms....tell us what you really think!

  Best regards - HS
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  hillary_step

  Kent,

  An agenda is the menu of politics.

  Having traveled in the Middle East I have a degree of sympathy with you at the Palestinian plight. An unhappier situation for them at this moment in time, it would be harder to imagine. As you know over the centuries, these two arch-enemies, Islam and Judaism, have developed an ideology that precludes any possibility of peace between them, rather like the Protestants and Catholics in NI.

  The problem lies with the Islamic agenda. The PLO have publicly admitted on numerous occasions that they will not live side by side with the Jews. They have vowed by any means to either displace or destroy the Jews and have the backing of almost all the Arab states and peoples in this ultimate goal. Why do they wish to do this? Exclusively due to a religious ideology which has as its final aim world ‘conversion’ by any means. The battle against Judaism and its sympathisers is just stage one in World conquest.

  The Jews however, have no intention of converting to their own form of religion the rest of humanity, especially not by force, but this clearly is the goal of Islam. If the Arabs were as well trained and armed as the Jewish state they would destroy Israel completely and have made no secret of their intentions that this is their ultimate prize. So one has to ask themselves, do the Jews have a right to defend themselves vigorously given the clear and sinister intentions of their neighbors?

  Read transcripts of the communications between the Nazi party and Arab states before and during WWII and you will see their clear intention was to aid the Nazis in the international destruction of every Jew and Jewish sympathiser.

  As to the point made in Farkel’s post describing ‘Arabs are barbarians’ , well just a cursory study of the history of Islamic art and culture would undermine this viewpoint quite quickly. What has to be said is that Islam is impossible to comprehend unless it is understood against the backdrop of its own tribal history, a sustained ethic which it has never really outgrown since its early history and which is now clearly under threat.

  The C21st is the enemy of Islam. Its religious leaders realize that ‘tribal’ Islam is doomed as we move further into a technological culture, no precept is contained in Islam which allows for a modernizing of its doctrine. Their clear agenda is to demonize anything that is attached this ‘modernistic’ enemy, destroy its ability to reproduce and subsequently safeguard Islamic culture. It is fighting a losing battle, but a battle that will see much more grieving and pain. One thing is certain, a truce will not happen unless hearts change and the experience of history precludes that one happening - the better armed will win the day.

  My best to you all - HS
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  Nathan Natas

  I've been watching the news and listening to the talk radio shows and I agree with every word Farkel says.
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  hillary_step

  Nathan,

  You note:

  I've been watching the news and listening to the talk radio shows and I agree with every word Farkel says.

  Of course, the news and talk radio shows in Palestine, Iran etc. would be providing their own evidence that the Western world are the barbarians and infidels deserving of death. Without truly understanding the culture, a person will never truly understand the problem.

  Therein lies the issue, this is not a matter of national borders but ideologies. The Western world is 3,000 years apart in thinking from the Islamic world and never the twain shall meet. If this scenario is your definition of barbarism, then you might be oversimplifying the matter a little. Neither side of this problem has much to be proud of in the way that they have defended their given ideolgies the past few hundred years.

  This recent disgusting blood letting in NYC is just the surface of a deep, dark well.

  HS
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  Farkel

  HS,

  : As to the point made in Farkel’s post describing ‘Arabs are barbarians’ , well just a cursory study of the history of Islamic art and culture would undermine this viewpoint quite quickly.

  I should have been more specific in my use of the term. I used it in reference to their world-views and geographic and religious xenophobia.

  : What has to be said is that Islam is impossible to comprehend unless it is understood against the backdrop of its own tribal history, a sustained ethic which it has never really outgrown since its early history and which is now clearly under threat.

  Right. And the the Western world has outgrown its "tribal (barbaric) history." The plain fact that the Islamic fundamentalists refuse to do so, tells us they are living with the same cultural attitudes they had thousands of years ago.

  Barbarism will not prevail in this modern world. They will either change or face constant warfare until they do. If they didn't have any oil, no one would give a shit about them and couldn't care less if they spent eternity killing each other.

  Their oil will run dry in a half-century or so, and for those who live long enough to see it, it should be rather interesting to watch them go back to fighting their wars with rocks and sticks and still claiming their destiny is to rule the world.

  Talk about anachronisms!

  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  Farkel

  "When in doubt, duck!"