Nicotine gum?

by Scully 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • Scully
    Scully

    I just had a thought about nicotine gum.

    Let me preface this by saying that I have never smoked. Ever. And I don't intend to start. However I am intrigued with the "medicinal" effects of chewing nicotine gum: it's a stimulant, it decreases appetite, it is reputed to temporarily give you a bit of a jump start like caffeine does.

    I'm surprised that there is no rule on this in the WT, because someone can buy the gum without a prescription, but because you aren't "smoking" the nicotine into your system, how would anyone know the difference in appearance between seeing someone using regular chewing gum or the same person chewing nicotine gum, unless you saw the packaging?

    I'm curious whether there have been any JWs who tried this to get the same effects from nicotine without actually smoking? Would the elders be able to DF a person for it? Would the WTS ban all forms of chewing gum on the off chance that someone might decide to chew nicotine gum for its "therapeutic" effects?

  • Kudra
    Kudra

    tsk, tsk, Scully. Like the loving brothers would ever make such a Pharasaical rule about something so silly as chewing nicotine gum...

    but hey! you can buy it without a prescription? Is it expensive? I think it would be fun to try.

  • blondie
    blondie

    It was not only smoking that was a df'ing offense. Remember chewing betel nut was also discussed and that JWs chewing such had to quit in 1973 or be df'd.

    *** g99 4/22 p. 28 Watching the World ***

    A New Role for Nicotine?

    Pharmaceutical companies market nicotine-laced chewing gum and patches that release nicotine through the skin as short-term aids to quitting smoking. Although these products are supposed to be used for no more than 6 to 12 weeks, many smokers continue to use them for years, reports TheWallStreetJournal. Now drug companies are pursuing changes in government regulations to allow marketing of nicotine-delivery systems for long-term use. Some companies do not mind that many users will continue to be addicted to nicotine, although drug companies do not want to gain the same reputation for profiting from addiction that the tobacco industry has. Nevertheless, says David Sachs, director of California’s Palo Alto Center for Pulmonary Disease Prevention: "Virtually every pharmaceutical company sees a tremendous market here."

    *** g89 7/8 p. 16 Ten Ways to Stop Smoking ***

    Keep yourself and your hands busy in those moments when you would normally reach for a cigarette. Chew gum (not nicotine gum) or suck mints when the desire to smoke gnaws at you.

    *** w75 7/1 p. 392 Christian Growth in the Philippines ***

    The case of a ninety-five-year-old man in Basilan City who used to chew buyo leaves mixed with tobacco, lime and betel nut illustrates this point. He gave up his debilitating habit immediately upon learning that Bible principles show it to be unclean. (2 Cor. 7:1)

    *** w74 12/15 p. 742 Insight on the News ***

    Jehovah’s witnesses class the chewing of betel nut as an unclean practice unworthy of a follower of Jesus Christ, basically as unacceptable as the use of tobacco.

    *** pe chap. 15 p. 130 par. 11 Becoming a Subject of God’s Government ***

    In addition to using alcoholic drinks to get drunk or "high," many persons today use various drugs for this same purpose. Also, for pleasure they may smoke marijuana or tobacco, while others may chew betel nut or coca leaves. But these things make their bodies unclean and harm their health. So if you want to be a subject of God’s government, you must keep away from these harmful things.—2 Corinthians 7:1.

  • blondie
    blondie

    The WTS also discussed the use of methadone, a drug to assist addicts to get off drugs such as heroin. Notice how in 1973, people wanted to be baptized had to get off methadone and the WTS reasoning.

    *** w73 6/1 pp. 336-338 pars. 4-11 Keeping God’s Congregation Clean in the Time of His Judgment ***

    Today, drug addiction has become like a plague in many lands. Certainly there is no place in God’s clean congregation for such practice. But what of persons who may be on some government-sponsored program where controlled doses of a product (such as that known as methadone) are given in substitution for a more dangerous drug, like heroin? Persons on such government programs may say they are doing nothing ‘illegal’; that they do not experience the hallucinations so characteristic of drug addiction; that they are able to function as a ‘working part of society.’ What if they seek to become recognized, baptized members of the worldwide congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses? Should they be accepted for baptism?

    5

    These questions have come up for prayerful consideration. From the Bible’s viewpoint it appears clear that those on such programs do not Scripturally qualify, since they may rightly be considered as still addicted to drugs. There is, of course, a proper use of drugs in medication, in treating physical or organic illness. But the person on, for example, methadone is not properly compared with the diabetic who has an organic illness requiring insulin, or the chronic arthritic or the person with terminal cancer who receives medication to reduce pain. The diabetic, arthritic or cancer cases are not using these medications to avoid the disagreeable, even agonizing, experience of "withdrawal" from "hard"-drug addiction; nor are they using the medications as a ‘crutch’ to maintain mental and emotional equilibrium. And, while doctors may prescribe a sedative to provide some temporary relief or to induce sleep at a critical time, or to prepare a patient for surgical operation, this is not the same as being enslaved to a drug through addiction.

    6

    The ‘legality’ of using a product, such as methadone, in some government drug program is not the decisive factor. In some countries addicts may ‘legally’ obtain heroin through government dispensaries. This does not make it Scripturally proper.

    7

    Generally such programs are just a case of substituting one drug for another, one viewed as less harmful than a drug like heroin. Yet now we read in the newspapers of methadone as being sold on the streets to drug addicts like other ‘illegal’ drugs. Rather than go through the pangs of "withdrawal" and then take up a life free from drug addiction, persons continuing on these programs are seeking to evade or postpone facing up to their problem and conquering it. This raises the questions: Just how meaningful would their baptism be? What would it signify?

    8

    Christ Jesus said that anyone wishing to be his disciple should ‘pick up his torture stake’ and follow him, being willing to lose even his life for Christ’s sake. (Luke 9:23, 24; John 12:25) Anyone who is baptized should have made such heart decision. If the person is willing to bear a "torture stake" and would be willing to follow Jesus to the point of impalement, can he then say he is not willing to endure the pain of "withdrawal" from drug addiction? (Compare Romans 6:6; Galatians 5:24; Colossians 3:5.) In reality, the suffering that "withdrawal" brings is but a natural consequence of a wrong practice, a ‘reaping of what has been sown.’—Gal. 6:7.

    9

    How complete, then, has been such one’s ‘repenting and turning around’ from his previous way of life? (Matt. 3:8; Acts 26:20) Can he truly present himself with whole heart, soul, mind and strength to God as his slave if he continues enslaved to addictive drugs? (Mark 12:29, 30) Does the person on such a program really have faith in God’s Word, as at Philippians 4:6, 7, wherein we have the promise that God’s peace will ‘guard our hearts and mental powers’ if we look to him in faith? Will he put his trust in the power of God’s spirit or will he show doubt as to that power and rely on some substitute drugs to guard his heart and mental powers and keep him from losing control of himself? Where is he demonstrating the "self-control" that is a fruit of God’s spirit? (Gal. 5:22, 23) At the time of his impalement, Jesus refused to drink "wine drugged with myrrh," evidently being determined to keep his full senses as he sealed his integrity in death. (Mark 15:23, NewWorldTranslation; also AnAmericanTranslation) He thus set an example for us of reliance on God’s power to see one through such vital tests.

    10

    There is no denying the extreme difficulty experienced in overcoming heroin and other "hard"-drug addiction, or that only a very small minority successfully do so. The very fact that some persons have done it, however, shows it can be done. The fact that persons of the world have been able to do it gives all the more reason for believing that those wanting to become true disciples of God’s Son should also be able to do so. Rather than exchange enslavement to one drug for enslavement to another, such as methadone, they should face up to the challenge and trust in God’s help to overcome that slavery.

    11

    To admit persons for baptism before they do this would simply be to condone their postponing any facing up to the issue. It would not be truly helpful to them, for eventually they must face that issue and take a firm stand. The time may come soon when such government programs will not be available to them. If addicted persons are accepted now as recognized members of a congregation, might not they become a real source of danger or of grave reproach at some future time? Even before that, might not their full acceptance into the congregation weaken the resistance of some of our Christian brothers to the taking of drugs? We cannot ignore the good of the congregation as a whole to favor an individual.—Gal. 5:9; 6:10.

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    Nicotine is not an illegal drug, so they have no right to make such a prohibition.I'm sure if someone wanted to use it and kept it to themselves, there would be no problem. Basically, it is none of their business.

    And I wonder if they still feel the same way about Methadone. It is one of the best treatments for severe chronic pain available. It is used by pain clinics throughout the world. The March 8, 2001 Awake even features a sister who uses Methadone for chronic bladder pain -the article starts on page 18. The February 2001 Awake on page 11 has an article that starts out, "I take morphine twice a day, in time release form.This keeps me going, but when pain breaks through, I resort to liquid Morphine."

    I realize that these two sisters were on the medication for legitimate pain. But studies have shown that the use of Heroin changes a person's brain and messes up the natural pain control mechanisms present in the central nervous system. Their pain is just as real and very possibly not able to be overcome. The articles that Blondie cited sound as if they want these persons to suffer for their past mistakes,like they deserve it.

    The lack of compassion that they have for those with drug addiction problems is sickening. Going through withdrawal is hell and some will never make it without going back to using or comitting suicide. So what if they have to use a medication to keep them clean the rest of their lives. As long as they are using it appropriately under a doctor's supervision, it is once again none of their business. They are so ignorant and totally without compassion or mercy for their fellow humans. It makes me sick.

  • smellsgood
    smellsgood

    Let me preface this by saying that I have never smoked. Ever. And I don't intend to start. However I am intrigued with the "medicinal" effects of chewing nicotine gum: it's a stimulant, it decreases appetite, it is reputed to temporarily give you a bit of a jump start like caffeine does."

    I dunno. I have a commit lozenge in my mouth right now, as I'm quitting smoking. If you aren't accustomed to the effects of nicotine, you can really feel screwed up, I think even a 2 mg would make you feel strange. As that's how much nicotine roughly in two cigarettes. The first time I used commit I was surprised how strong I felt it on my tongue having smoked and not really noticed the "buzzy" feeling smoking gives you in your mouth.

    Personally, I've never found smoking to suppress my appetite even in the slightest. More to the contrary. And also to the contrary of giving me a boost, I've found it makes me tired. Of course nothing really suppresses my appetite. I don't know if this is directly related to nicotine in cigarettes, but cigarettes actually cause you to put on the most dangerous weight there is, interabdominal fat.

    Nicotine is a powerful drug, if I could go back I would never have started. I think its a good thing to avoid. Caffeines effects are completely different in my experience. And I consume alot. I would say if you were to chew nicotine gum, the most you could chew safely would be one. It'd be interesting to see how a non-smoker felt after chewing nicotine gum... it might be something interesting to try anyways. Trouble is I don't think they come in singles...

    It's Nov. 16 the great American smokeout.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    Well, being on day 2 of giving up smoking, I would say nicotine is one of the most addictive, insiduous, nasty substances known to man. (I'm not using any nicotine substitutes).

    Nicotine does not do what you suggested it does for long periods of time Scully. After a while, you are mearly smoking to feel "normal" again. This has been very important for me to understand this in giving up... I am not "missing out" on anything by not smoking, I am not even "giving anything up", I am simply retruning to normality.

    Please, no one start chewing nicotine gum for the hell of it. Hey, they say there's nothing worse than an ex-smoker!

    Anyhow - here's something for you to ponder... Nicotine is a deadly poison, so why the hell do the patches have "sell by dates" on them???

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    I think the jw stance would be that since tobacco causes cancer and nicotine gum doesn't, it's not as bad.

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    Well, I'm on day 20 of giving up smoking, and am using nicotine patches, which are helping. I've never tried the gum, and don't know anyone who has, but my guess on the wts stance would be that if someone used something like that, they would be better keeping it to themselves. All you would be doing is taking the drug in another way, which is what I am currently doing with patches. I doubt the wts would support that.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    I did it on Zyban and patches last time - I gave up for a year and a half. This time, Zyban again but no patches or gum, but I did read Allen Carr's book who is opposed to NRT Nictine Replacement Therapy. I would say the best thing about his book is he gets you to hate smoking by the end of it including all forms of nicotine.

    I really don't see how a Witness could condone the use of Nicotine as it is a highly addictive drug. Surely the method of ingestion is irrelevant, as I feel sure some other drugs also do not cause cancer and do not have to be smoked (I feel sure people would be opposed to you jacking up doses of nicotine at the book study for example).

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