Bush's war on terrorism a failure? (page 4)

Pleasuredome

It's bush's 'war on terror' not 'war on terrorism'. work that one out.

Jourles

It's bush's 'war on terror' not 'war on terrorism'.

Or as Borat said,

We support your war of terror!

***queue audience cheers***

bluesapphire

It is possible to be against propaganda and slogans designed to stop-think and not be "anti-American".

Some people prefer to have a healthy skepticism and not swallow hook, line and sinker everything they're fed from elementary school on about their government and its actions, including the songs we were taught like "God Bless America", etc.

And being against this illegal war doesn't make a person pro muslims or terrorists either. That's just a black and white propaganda slogan of if you're not for the war you're against Americans. And it's pure BS and pure Bushism too.

Iraq was no threat to the US. So how are the soldiers fighting over there fighting for "our freedom"? And why should we be grateful to them for killing people in a country that posed no threat to us anyway?

The whole concept of freedom as originally intended by those who actually faught for it has been lost. It has been replaced with a cliche designed to shut up the people, dumb them down while true freedom is taken away. How "free" are those people who were blown to bits in Iraqi hospitals, btw?

Jourles

Preach on, sister!

bluesapphire

This one got my blood boiling.

Anotehr subject but ... I work in an elementary school and am appalled at the brain-washing that goes on under the labels "patriotism" and "freedom". More time needs to be spent on education.

People have no idea how many assemblies and musicals, assignments and projects and field trips and out-of-classroom programs there are and how much true instructional time is wasted in the stop-think machine! And this monster perpetuates itself. These kids will have these fluffy-feel-good memories and pass it all on to their own kids.

Then when the army recruiters go onto our children's high school campuses they will be primed and ready to sign on the dotted line, ready to give up their lives for their "country" and "freedom" and shipped out to the Iraqs of the world to kill and be killed all for a cliche.

frankiespeakin

BLue,

Anotehr subject but ... I work in an elementary school and am appalled at the brain-washing that goes on under the labels "patriotism" and "freedom". More time needs to be spent on education

I agree, no doubt because schools look to the federal government for finacial support, they have to devote a certain amount of time to federal government propaganda indoctrination.

BTW, I had a history teacher in junior High school that I consider one of the best teachers, because he cut thru alot of the BS even while he taught out of government funded text books, but while he did it he gave it more meaning by showing how some of it was pure BS and biased. (He taught early american history.)

My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

Because the coast guard is considered part of the military, and preforms some benificial services, hardly recomends those joining the US military as following some higher call, to me it is just propaganda designed to encourage support for the US war machine just like the slogans to serve God and Country, or the often repeated propaganda found in song "God Bless America Land of the Free". It is all bull shit.

I'm not suggesting that you refer to it as a higher calling and I'm not suggesting that every person that puts on a uniform does it because of a higher calling. There are those that do it as part of their family tradition.There are those who join as a practical means to get their education paid for. There are those who do it because it provides a good alternative to living in poverty. In my experience, there are a great many that do it because of a sense of duty, or higher calling. We do not have a draft. It is a volunteer force. Everyone who joined had a choice.

I mentioned the coast guard because I thought that it was heroic that they saved a few thousand Americans. I had a friend who was embedded with them during their rescues. She marvelled at how dedicated and professional they were and how they would go nearly round the clock until the mission was completed.

Have you ever heard "God Bless America" sung acapella by a really good vocalist? Brings tears to your eyes and puts a lump in your throat.

bluesapphire

The curruculum is decided on by the powers that be. The teachers receive their credentials and the tests given for these credentials are given by the powers that be. You do the math.

I do have to say about many of the teachers I know. They are NOT braindead dummies. Many teachers DO encourage skepticism and critical thinking, despite the dogmatic way in which the books are written. I know many intelligent, hard-working teachers that are angry about all the wasted time while the kids are in school.

What I was talking about was all of the things that take away from classtime and are designed to subtly condition and prep children to become brain-dead followers of the status quo. Things such as the assemblies where they recite the pledge of allegeance at each and every assembly and the programs where they sing the patriotic songs and the field trips where they go and visit sites where they reenact the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, etc. and then these wars are compared to the wars of today such as Iraq which have nothing to do with "freedom" for Americans. It's not like the Iraq war is like WWII where the US obviously got involved for noble reasons.

But the kids are left with these feel-good memories and a soft spot on their hearts and then when they are of age and the recruiters come onto the campuses they are primed and ready to be pawns. When young men and women who are STILL CHILDREN at age 18 volunteer to join the military, the majority of them join for patriotic reasons such as the cliche "serving my country" etc. I'm sure none of them know in advance they could be sent to fight and die in an illegal war!

How are these kids being killed in Iraq serving their country? They're serving something but it's not their country. Their country was in no danger from Iraq. Their people were in no immediate danger either. So who are they serving? In the end, when all is said and done in Iraq, what will these kids have died for? What did they accomplish? If they pull out now, they leave the country a mess. If they stay, more of them will have to die for something that has nothing to do with their country's freedom. It's a no win situation. And God forbid anyone ask these questions because they'll be labeled "unamerican" or "antiamerican".

tetrapod.sapien

"History. We don't know. We'll all be dead."

i hope he means, like, millions of years in the future.

anyways, i think he meant to say: "i don't know." because i, for one, am at least one person who does know what history, should there be any, will think of this period:

The scary leap from a type 0.75 civilization, to a type 1.0 civilization.

peace,

tetra

My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

It is possible to be against propaganda and slogans designed to stop-think and not be "anti-American".

Nobody called anyone "anti-american".

The original poster may make a good point to begin with, but he then quickly adds a myriad of other opinions, including that anyone joining the military is braindead. Is he an anarchist? I don't know. If that is his view of politics, then everything he says makes sense. But then you read all of his comments, and you realize that he is not an anarchist, he's just presents an anarchist's views when it comes to the US.

Some people prefer to have a healthy skepticism and not swallow hook, line and sinker everything they're fed from elementary school on about their government and its actions, including the songs we were taught like "God Bless America", etc.

I think most people should and do.

And being against this illegal war doesn't make a person pro muslims or terrorists either. That's just a black and white propaganda slogan of if you're not for the war you're against Americans. And it's pure BS and pure Bushism too.

That was George Bush talking, not the military.

Iraq was no threat to the US. So how are the soldiers fighting over there fighting for "our freedom"? And why should we be grateful to them for killing people in a country that posed no threat to us anyway?

The military was sent into Iraq by Pres Bush with the approval of Congress. If you are against the war, then why not direct that anger and frustration at the people who sent the troops in to begin with, not the troops themselves. The military didn't start the war. Our military is made up of many professional, dedicated soldiers. Calling them brain-dead is not accurate in my opinion, and shows a lot of disrespect. It is possible to be grateful for our military and opposed to the war in Iraq. I'm not quite sure why this viewpoint, that I feel a lot of Americans share, is so difficult to grasp without descending into calling people brain-dead.

As far as God Bless America goes,

God bless America,
Land that I love,
Stand beside her and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above;

From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans white with foam,
God bless America,
My home, sweet home.
God bless America,
My home, sweet home.

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