.....another Watchtower contradiction.

by gumby 34 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Kaput
    Kaput

    Of course there's a contradiction, Gumball! It wouldn't be "the truth" if there wasn't a contradiction! Haven't you learned that yet? Geeeeeezzz!!!

    Hey, here's one for ya:

    March 15, 2000 pg. 10, paragraph 1: Jehovah is very considerate in the way he makes his purposes known to his servants. Instead of revealing the truth all at once in one blinding flash of light, he enlightens us progressively. Our trek along life's pathway might be compared to a walk that a hiker takes down a long trail. He starts out early in the morning and sees little. As the sun begins to rise slowly over the horizon, the hiker is able to distinguish a few features of his surroundings. The rest he sees in hazy outline. But as the sun continues its ascent, he can see farther and farther into the distance. So it is with the spiritual light that God provides. He allows us to discern a few things at a time.

    Page 13, paragraph 13: A brilliant flash of light on one Bible subject sometimes leads God's anointed servants, "the faithful and discreet slave," to reexamine related topics, as the following recent example illustrates.--Matthew 24:45.

    Yeah, I know, 'blinding' doesn't mean 'brilliant', but it's close enough for me.

  • Clam
    Clam
    If you saw a set of footprints that meanders up and down the beach, circles around now and then, and even goes backward at times, you would hardly think the person was running at all

    This puts me in mind of a JW's steps as he meanders* under the heavy load given him.

    Clam

    * not tacking which is on the sea and completely different.

  • Neo
    Neo

    Eduardo,

    gumby's post has cited the WTS talking about two different things...supposed (new light) progression in the tacking instance and a person's dedication to keeping a Christian life course..in the second...two entirely different things...

    its just silly to take two unrelated things and call it a contradiction simply because the analogies describe entirely different things on the surface...

    No, they are not two "entirely different things". Gumby's observation is perfect. They're speaking with both sides of their mouth because the individual path of the Christian cannot contradict the "new light" progression of the organization. According to WT doctrine, one will reflect the other. If the individual must rely on the organization for guidance and the organization "zigzags", his path will follow accordingly.

    Moreover, it's the WT itself that conflates the individual and the organizational paths by their application of Proverbs 4:18: " The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established." They take the same scripture and apply to both the individual and the organization.

    *** w97 9/1 p. 32 A Lamp to Guide You on Life’s Path ***

    Those who undertake a study of God’s Word, the Holy Bible, and apply what it says will be like someone who starts a journey early in the morning. At first, he cannot see much because it is dark. But as the sun begins to rise, he sees more and more. Finally, the sun shines directly overhead. He sees everything in clear detail. Such an illustration calls to mind a Bible proverb: "The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established."—Proverbs 4:18.

    *** w65 7/15 p. 428 Jehovah’s Advancing Organization ***

    18

    With the passing of the years in this twentieth century, Jehovah’s organization has advanced in knowledge and understanding of the Scriptures and of its responsibilities before God. As with God’s organization in the past, so today, it fulfills the words written at Proverbs 4:18: "The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established."

  • heathen
    heathen

    I think everything they ever said can be stated as a contadiction at one time or another. I just love that claim of not going beyond what is written or not using dogma . One day they are going to have to admit those things as well.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Gumby, this is great.

    I really need this information. Thanks.

  • gumby
    gumby
    its just silly to take two unrelated things and call it a contradiction simply because the analogies describe entirely different things on the surface...

    Poor Ororubus, his head has been in the books so much, he can't see the obvious.

    The last article I quoted plainly tells it's readers that gods organisation moves straight ahead with no wavering and always has the correct destiny.

    Gumalwaysright

  • Oroborus21
    Oroborus21

    Gumby,

    you are so full of soft gooey stuff --and it's not petroleum or gelatin based!

    here's what you said:

    Poor Ororubus, his head has been in the books so much, he can't see the obvious.

    The last article I quoted plainly tells it's readers that gods organisation moves straight ahead with no wavering and always has the correct destiny.

    Gumalwaysright

    Well i looked at the last article cited, the 92 Watchtower and it NO WHERE "plainly tells its readers" that "god's organization moves straight ahead with no wavering and always the correct destiny." (go ahead and provide the quoted text from the article where this is "plain" if you can.)

    In fact, as was the point of my post in this thread, the 92 Watchtower article is talking about an individual's life course and the Organization is not the subject at all.

    This is clearly in contrast to the Questions from Readers article involving the infamous "tacking" excuse for flip-flops and reversals of the Society which analogy is meant to describe the changing of policies/beliefs over time.

    And therefore, you are comparing apples to oranges and so of course there is going to be an "apparent' contradiction because two conflicting analogies are being used.

    But even this is not quite as conflicting as it would seem now that I have seen what you have done with your little elipses that excluded an important point of the original excerpt.

    this is the text in context with the part YOU excluded in red for our friends' benefit:

    Run

    "NotUncertainly"

    16

    Seeing the strenuous efforts needed to succeed in the race for life, Paul went on to say: "Therefore, the way I am running is not uncertainly; the way I am directing my blows is so as not to be striking the air." (1 Corinthians 9:26) The word "uncertainly" literally means "unevidently" (KingdomInterlinear), "unobserved, unmarked" (Lange’sCommentary). Hence, to run "not uncertainly" means that to every observer it should be very evident where the runner is heading. TheAnchorBible renders it "not on a zigzag course." If you saw a set of footprints that meanders up and down the beach, circles around now and then, and even goes backward at times, you would hardly think the person was running at all, let alone that he had any idea where he was heading. But if you saw a set of footprints that form a long, straight line, each footprint ahead of the previous one and all evenly spaced, you would conclude that the footprints belong to one who knows exactly where he is going.

    17

    Paul’s life shows clearly that he was running "not uncertainly." He had ample evidence to prove that he was a Christian minister and an apostle. He had but one objective, and he exerted himself vigorously all his life to gain it. He was never sidetracked by fame, power, riches, or comfort, even though he could perhaps have attained any of these. (Acts 20:24; 1 Corinthians 9:2; 2 Corinthians 3:2, 3; Philippians 3:8, 13, 14) As you look back at your life course, what kind of track do you see? A straight line with a clear direction or one that wanders aimlessly? Is there evidence that you are contending in the race for life? Remember, we are in this race, not just to go through the motions, as it were, but to get to the finish line.

    The reference explaining "uncertainly" and meaning "unobserved" or "unnoticed" brings the whole illustration into a different light and makes it less contrasting with the "tacking" illustration than the superficial take would have it. This is because the meaning of the illustration is not focused on the specific line of the path at all but rather on the APPARENCY of the direction and the INTENT of the runner. Your deliberate or arbitrary exclusion of this nuance in your original post is rather self-serving.

    Further, para 17 which you completely omitted, reinforces that what the article is discussing in this subheading, namely that a Christian would give evidence, certain to others, of their life course and pursue the ultimate goal without distraction.

    Again the point of the article is COMPLETELY distinct from the point of the tacking (zig-zag) excuse Questions from Readers article.

    And contrary to Nic's post, one can't logically or fairly link two distinct topical discussions which use two different analogies simply because at some level the Society states that its followers will follow-along the same course as itself. First that premise is untrue. But more importantly, it doesn't work because the article in question (the 92 WT) is not addressing either "new light" progression or loyalty to the Organization or any other related topic where it would be fair to expect "consistency" of illustations/analogy.

  • Mary
    Mary
    Eduardo said: Well i looked at the last article cited, the 92 Watchtower and it NO WHERE "plainly tells its readers" that "god's organization moves straight ahead with no wavering and always the correct destiny." (go ahead and provide the quoted text from the article where this is "plain" if you can.)......the 92 Watchtower article is talking about an individual's life course and the Organization is not the subject at all.
    This is clearly in contrast to the Questions from Readers article involving the infamous "tacking" excuse for flip-flops and reversals of the Society which analogy is meant to describe the changing of policies/beliefs over time. And therefore, you are comparing apples to oranges and so of course there is going to be an "apparent' contradiction because two conflicting analogies are being used

    Bullshit. Of course it's a contradiction or at the very least, a double standard. The article that Gumby quoted from the Dec 1, 1981 WT article clearly admits that they don't get it right (and never have) and use the weak analogy of "tacking" to try and explain away their failed doctrines and prophecies. In the 1992 article that Gumby quotes from it's called: TO SUCCEED IN THE RACE FOR LIFE" it's obviously talking about a Dubs' loyalty, servitude and unquestioning obedience to the Organization------the same Organization that 'zig-zag's and 'flip-flops' on everything from beards to blood transfusions. It certainly is not talking about any hopes or dreams or plans a person might have for their life as we've never been encouraged to have any sort of life away from meetings and service. Plus, they admit it's only talking about someone's "spirituality:

    *** w92 8/1 pp. 17-18 How Are You Running in the Race for Life? *** Paul’s life shows clearly that he was running "not uncertainly." He had ample evidence to prove that he was a Christian minister and an apostle. He had but one objective, and he exerted himself vigorously all his life to gain it. He was never sidetracked by fame, power, riches, or comfort, even though he could perhaps have attained any of these. (Acts 20:24; 1 Corinthians 9:2; 2 Corinthians 3:2, 3; Philippians 3:8, 13, 14) As you look back at your life course, what kind of track do you see? A straight line with a clear direction or one that wanders aimlessly?Is there evidence that you are contending in the race for life?

    And what is "the race for life"?

    ***

    w 03 5/15 p. 22 Remain Steadfast, and Win the Race for Life*** One way to keep a steady pace in our race for life is to have much to do in the Kingdom-preaching work. Yes, our Christian ministry is a valuable aid in keeping our hearts and minds focused on the doing of God’s will and firmly fixed on the prize of everlasting life.

    So on one hand, they're saying that it's perfectly okay for them, God's Sole Channel and Christ's Brethren, to aimlessly flip flop on doctrines and policies that the R&F are expected to obey without question, yet the at the same time the R&F are told that their spiritual life had better be in a "straight line" (no uh, 'tacking' allowed) with no excuses.

    Ya, there's no contradiction there at all.

  • luna2
    luna2

    It wish I'd recognised these contradictions sooner. Maybe if I'd really studied the Watchtower articles and the KMs and the books, I would have seen how often they do this. But I didn't really study. I read their junk so that I could highlight the expected answers in order to confidently regurgitate their slop at the meetings and gain approval of the rest of the ruminating herd.

    It wasn't until years later, when I was trying to figure out why nothing in my life had turned out very well by following the Society's wonderful directions and when I was noticing that the happiest JWs were the ones who paid lip service to the WTS but made their own decisions about how they lived their lives, that I realized how full of shit the religion was.

    Truth is truth...if you have to go back and tweak it, tack around it, or if the explanation becomes something else entirely, then it wasn't truth to begin with.

  • Kaput
    Kaput

    Hey Mary! You go, girl!

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