by 5go 34 Replies latest jw friends
Actually, many people believe the first civil war in the US never ended.
There was a great book about that, which I started reading in high school but never finished...it was called "Confederates in the Attic," and it was about the author's journey around the South and how in some people's minds, the Civil War has never really ended.
We are a socialist democracy with two party rule ( all though not recently ) which is communist.
quoting heathen
"I think the US is communistic at this point"
Yep since 1929 figure out why yourself.
Here is what I tell capitolist, if capitolism is so great charge your offspring for the exspence of raisng them plus 30%. See how long your family lasts. Most families are either socialist or communist in nature. Why not goverment.
If civil war breaks out in the USA, I'll join up with the Yankees. After all, I do live in a "free state." When is the South going to learn that all men are created equal and it is not okay to own slaves?
or suceed the union (again it's mainly the same people in those idiot southern states that want him to stay)(by the way yes I'm in one of them and yes they are idiots and so am I).
I'm as southern as you can get. Born in Mobile, the southern most city of The Heart of Dixie state, Alabama. I am not an idiot anymore than anyone who lives up here in beautiful Michigan.
I think it's worth mentioning that if you look at voting results maps for the south and Texas, most of the larger cities went for Kerry, not for Bush. It seems that rural, conservative folk tend to be more trusting. They want to relinquish control to someone like Bush who steps in and tells everyone to trust him, by God. He's the prez afterall. Old Glory, democracy, apple pie....
Actually, many people believe the first civil war in the US never ended.There was a great book about that, which I started reading in high school but never finished...it was called "Confederates in the Attic," and it was about the author's journey around the South and how in some people's minds, the Civil War has never really ended.
We know the war has ended. We just don't feel the same way about the War Between The States as non southerners do. Ever wonder why some parts of the south are so backward? I'll give an example that might help you understand: Note the difference in the size, importance and affluence of Cassville before Sherman went through. (Scroll down for the article.) This story is repeated through out the south. Most southerners did not own slaves by the time of the Civil War. They did not like slavery. They were as happy to see it end as any northerner. And the Jim Crow laws that sprung from the nightmare-ish Reconstruction? There is a plaque up here in downtown Grand Rapids, Michigan that speaks of how the Jim Crow laws were challenged and ended in the late 1920's in Grand Rapids. Yes, until then blacks sat upstairs at the theater and drank from different fountains.It was the same in Chicago and other northern cities. The history that even southern children are taught about the Civil War is very skewed and slanted to make the south look much worse than it was. You don't learn of all the cities, towns, colleges, schools, hospitals, farms and homes that were laid waste, never to return. When you trash a country during a war, it takes decades and even centuries for it to recover, if it ever fully does. I lived near Cassville from 1986 until 2001. It's a tiny, peaceful and serene village these days. And yes, there are plenty of rednecks to be found there. There are also plenty of regular people, too. One more thing to note: it's not okay to tell ethnic jokes. It is just fine to bash white people, especially if they are southern.
Cassville was created by the Georgia Legislature in 1832 to serve as county seat for simultaneously created Cass County (now Bartow), one of ten original counties carved from the former Cherokee territory. By the 1850?s Cassville was the cultural center of north Georgia with two colleges (male and female), four hotels, a newspaper and wooden sidewalks. Georgia?s first Supreme Court decision was delivered at Cassville in 1846. Many of the Cherokee Nation?s legal battles to hold on to north Georgia were staged at the Cassville Court House. But by the end of the Civil War, all that remained of Cassville?s former eminence was three homes, two churches and a Confederate Cemetery.
Today, Cassville is remembered by students of the Civil War for what did not happen here: The Cassville Affair. During the Atlanta Campaign, Confederate General Joe Johnston intended a major offensive here after tricking General Sherman into dividing his forces at Adairsville. Quite likely, this last best offensive would have been successful and leveled the playing field for Gen. Johnston?s extremely out-numbered Confederate troops. However, the evening before the battle that was not, May 18, 1864, Confederate Gen. John Hood convinced Johnston to withdraw south to Allatoona. (The same evening, Gen. Johnston succumbed to another?s wish and was baptised at Cassville by Gen. Polk, a clergyman, at the request of Mrs. Johnston.) Union Forces occupied Cassville from that night until November 1864.
On October 30, orders were issued to destroy Cassville. Residents were given only 20 minutes notice the town was being burned. No images of the town, nor official records of her citizens, survived.
It was a sentiment of the citizenry of Cassville that arose years before the Civil War that sealed the town?s fate, however. When the Western & Atlantic Railroad was winding its way into northwest Georgia in the 1840?s, Cassville?s residents protested having the railroad pass through the heart of the town. They didn?t want the soot from the engines to dirty their streets nor the riff-raff from the train to taint their young. The geography of the area confirmed it would be less costly to take the train to the west. Thus, the mighty W&A bypassed Cassville. When the colleges, hotels, fine homes and businesses were burned, there was no reason to re-build. A bustling young town to the south, Cartersville, was thriving with enterprise fueled by the railroad. Thus, in 1867 the people of Bartow County voted, by a slim margin, to move their county seat from Cassville to Cartersville.
Not totally forgotten in the next century, Cassville enjoyed being on the route of ?The Dixie Highway,? the nation?s first planned interstate roadway. During the 1930?s, Cassville was remembered by receiving one of five Atlanta Campaign Pocket Parks constructed by the WPA to commemorate The Cassville Affair. Cassville?s ?Old Post Office? enjoyed acclaim as the oldest operating U.S. Post Office in the state until the mid 1990?s. Today it houses the Cassville History Museum of the Cassville Heritage Society. The museum and the Cassville Confederate Cemetery, the final resting place of 300 Confederate Soldiers and CSA Brig. Gen. William T. Wofford, await visitors in this near-forgotten jewel of Georgia history.
For more information on Cassville visit online, Cassville Heritage Association.
While this thread is not about the Civil War Between the States, comments have been made about the Civil War not ending for southerners. It is said you learn something new everyday. Now some of you can learn that our entire country discriminated against blacks and other ethnic groups, using Jim Crow laws.
Here is something of interest that might help non southerners understand how southerners feel about the misinformation unloaded on us and the prejudice we meet quite frequently because of it. The prejudice might be more comprehensible if Jim Crow laws and prejudice hadn't been thriving above and to the west of the Mason-Dixon line, well into the 20th century.
From this page for teachers or other educators:
http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/geography/outside_south.htm
I'll use Illinois as an example:
Of particular interest, start with 1927 and read 1953,1956, 1957 and 1957 and then 1958.
FlyingHighNow
Sorry, not everyone here is an idiot. but, There is more than the fair share in the south.
Mobil, I live in south east Texas basic nazi, skin head,( yes, they are nazi's too )and KKK territory heck we still have several segragated kindom halls. It shocked me going to help out repairing one (I asked why they where not getting a new hall. Then I started to notice a trend in the local bros) This shocked me, I am from the panhandle of Texas which is more like Oklahoma (intergraded better, not perfect though)and from a military back ground.
The name of the congregation is Eagle Lake, Texas
OK, 5go - lets recap this:
You say that USA civil was is a "when not if" proposition. Most of the reply posters say they do not see such evidence, at least not for any such thing in the near future. Rightly so, in my opinion. Political differences do not automatically make a civil war, especially in a prosperous and stable country.
Do you still attend the meetings? I was wondering from your comment about the KH segregation, etc.
If so, think about this: The "end of the world" could also be said to be a "when not if" proposition. Most scientists say that the "when" is far in the indeterminate future. If so, then why worry about it? Immediate things, such as environment, we can change as far as we can to make life better, but we really don't have the power to stop the evolution of the sun, large asteroids, etc.
The WTS always gets itself into trouble by trying to pin down the "when" (and the "how" part, for that matter).
Maybe there are just a few more positive things to occupy their time - I wish that were realized by the organization. I think the same holds true for speculation on civil unrest.
James
Yes I do atend meeting illregularly. No I do think god( jeehoober ) will destroy the earth ( man maybe, well just the abilty for him to live on it ). This has nothing to do with the end times, just a major change in the geography of north america( maybe the world ). This could be a bloodless ( reasonably )civil war ( a coup de'ta ) I hope atleast.
What do you think?
Think I am wrong O.K.
Oh and the civil unrest has started remember congress switched over because of civil unrest it's just not hot yet and may never be hot. I am just saying that it looks like the us is gonna split sooner than later. If the bush thing doesn't get it than the predicted dollar crash might, or I could be totally wrong and it last nothing happens.
Oh and the civil unrest has started remember congress switched over because of civil unrest it's just not hot yet and may never be hot. I am just saying that it looks like the us is gonna split sooner than later.
Here's a possibility, if the USA doesn't stop bullying other nations and shoving democracy down their throats, maybe the ones who have nuclear capability will band together and bomb the USA back down to size. Economically, greed is undoing the US already. It is said that China and India will be the next world powers. They are eating up all of the USA manufacturing. They are training their citizens in technology. No nation stays on top forever anyway, not even when they seem to be more benevolent to the rest of the world.
