I called my old KH today!!

by moshe 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • moshe
    moshe

    Yes, I did and talked for over one hour to a 19 year old lifer Dub. I asked him if he had put a tract in my door implying that my religion was false. I told him that I was Jewish.-oops! I asked, if his warning applied to all false religion, even his , if it was proven to be wrong?- "yes" he replied.

    Then, why do Jehovah's Witnesses try and kill it's members with it's blood transfusion ban? He went into the standard JW story about abstaining from alcohol, but then getting it in a transfusion- "we don't eat blood by a transfusing it", he said, smugly.. I asked him if he was starving to death would a glucose IV provide nourishment and keep you alive?- He agreed it would. How about a blood transfusion- would that save a starving man?, I asked him.

    " No, it would not , the man would still die", he answered- Ahah! I had him! So then a blood transfusion is not the same as eating blood, then? "All the blood tranfusions in the hospital will not save a starving man will it?", I pressed it home! I could feel the beads of sweat popping out on his forehead now- Sir, do you know that even the most Orthodox Jews agree that a blood transfusion does not violate God's laws against eating blood?, I asked him. "No", he didn't know about that. "Of course not", I told him, because it would destroy your WT argument about the blood transfusion ban. "If it is wrong, then God will punish your religion for all the blood guilt due to 1000's of innocent people dying from the WT no blood transfusions ban", I told him. "Do you want to share in that group punishment,too?" "No, he wouldn't" , he answered.

    He told me he was going home right away and look on the internet about this and other topics we talked about- like, if Noah's flood was global why didn't it melt all the 200,000 year old glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica? Why does a zoo take 100's of people to care for a few animals and yet Noah was able to take care of many more animals with only 8 people total? Did that make sense? What about 1914,1925,1975,etc. Why does the Watchtower have a 100% failure rate on it's predictions?

    It was a long hour, but he never hung up and even wanted to come visit me at home- I never told him this was a 1000 mile long distance telephone call. Maybe, he was looking for some good reasons to get out of the Borg, I hope so. I encouraged him to ask this question at the next meeting, "Why can Orthodox Jews accept blood transfusions and do not see it as violating God's law against eating blood"? That will get him on the early exit program from his KH.

    I called at 9:30 AM, just as he was ready to go out in service- so I expect that he counted one hour of time on me.Whoopie!

  • megsmomma
    megsmomma

    That was an awsome conversation! Did you know the kid? (I assume you did because you knew he was a lifer) I hope he does look into things and gets out....maybe we will see a new member here who had a Jewish guy help him out!

  • bebu
    bebu

    What an excellent response about blood and a starving man! Love it!

    I'm sure this guy was happy to not have to go out door to door, so you really did him a favor (beyond getting him to think, of course). Nineteen years is a long sentence to serve. Hope he gets free.

    Did you tell him you were local? Did you recognize this man? Did you leave a number (cell) or promise to call back next week?

    bebu

  • moshe
    moshe

    I didn't know him. He told me he had been a JW all his life and his family had recently moved to Florida from Chicago. If I had given him my real name and he told the elders , they would have popped a cork. I was probably the ex-JW nightmare from hell for them- they were glad to see me move away in 1989. He said his parents both had college degrees, so I am assuming they became JW's later as adults. He wasn't in college either and had been out of school for a year already- I just realized, he was probably doing the pioneer thing and hating it!!!

    I'll call back again next week and see if he is at the KH.

    Anyone else want to call their old KH at 9:30AM?

  • mama1119
    mama1119

    Sounds like pretty good arguments to me. I hope he takes the time to do some research on the info you gave him.

  • unique1
    unique1

    Thats funny. Oh, NO NOT THE EVIL INTERNET!!!! He best stay away from there.

  • Backed away
    Backed away

    Moshe,

    Great point about Orthodox Jews and their views of blood transfusions and how they would clearly be a experienced group on this subject and the old testament.I hope the young man, and that he was compared to you, does the research he said he would.

    You have to give the young man credit for staying on the phone with you like that, many I fear would of dropped the call sooner. his staying on the line may say more about your ability to strike a nerve with him.

    The seed of doubt may have been planted..

  • Anitar
    Anitar

    Good Lord Moshe, you really did some excellent work! I could almost hear the hammer go THWACK! as you knocked some sense into him. Any chance you can try that with my mom?

    Judging by his response, he sounded very lonely and had many doubts about the WTS. If you talk to him again, maybe you can suggest he registers here on JWD? Although 1000 miles away is pretty far, you must have left your old hall for a very good reason.

    Either way congratulations to both of you!

    Anitar

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Fun times! Fun times!

    Good job Moshe. I loved it. Why not call the local hall and try the same thing? You might be on to something.

    Jeff

  • reneeisorym
    reneeisorym

    That's awesome. Maybe I should do the same?... hummm

    Renee

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