Dude, i'm living in canada and I got canned in 1984. I even tried going back for 1 year and was sat at the back of the kingdom hall completly ignored by all my peers. I even went home one day and my brother locked me out. Every single thing I did was sanctioned and designed to bring me to my knees with my families help. Does anybody know if this is the way things are done in canada. I was convinced for years it was a total conspiracy
circuit overseer demands elders destroy my records
by Tyrone van leyen 40 Replies latest jw friends
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tijkmo
Every single thing I did was sanctioned and designed to bring me to my knees with my families help. Does anybody know if this is the way things are done in canada.
its the way things are done everywhere
it is demoralising,demeaning,disillusioning,bewildering,emasculating,inhumane,unjust,unloving,and unfair..
it is also-according to jws-jehovahs way of making you want to return to a loving brotherhood
it is only jehovah...(and several thousand victims) that know it doesnt work
and he is doing nothing about it..
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LittleToe
If you were never baptised then they would now view you as a worldly person. Back in the 80s it was a different matter, but time has moved on. COs are meant to keep the Elders in line, and the congregational procedures require that anything over about 6 years be destroyed. I can't imagine he'd be outraged, but he would give them clear instructions. Besides, as has been stated, they sent copies to Bethel. I'm not sure what their procedure is at that level...
So, this five minutes thing - did it involve a goat?
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juni
Tyrone stated this:
Dude, i'm living in canada and I got canned in 1984
From this statement and you said you weren't baptized this is what happened:
you committed some DFing offense, was not repentant so therefore you were announced as DFed due to conduct unbecoming a Christian.
Even though you were not baptized at the time, this was their policy in 1984. My son suffered the same thing. He was 16. Actually the whole family suffered, but that's another long story. They changed this policy a few years later. Had us study some dumb Wt article where they gave a twisted scriptural explanation as to why they were changing this policy. Actually it was due to an ongoing law suit in NY that was tried to be kept under cover. My husband knew this because he was in on the CO-elder-MS meeting at the assembly. People looked in a daze and didn't know how to treat these once wrongly DFed ones.
Suck? Yes, big time. Is this what happened to you???
Juni (you may PM if you wish) ALSO WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!
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Junction-Guy
Juni, did they at least have to be an unbaptized publisher to get disfellowshipped back in 1984?
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Warlock
I think I'm with kid-a on this one. Something doesn't add up here.
Warlock
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Tyrone van leyen
Wow the comments on this board are amazingly enlightening. Talk about insight! I can see so much intelligence here it's intimidating and I don't consider myself stupid either. I understand that, to some certain aspects of my account about the co seem unbeleivable to some. I'm only relating what my mother told me. Maybe she thought it would make me feel better through exoneration. I too had a hard time beleiving the co got that pissed. As for the five minute thing, I think they made up there minds about me a long time ago and no, I didn't sleep with a goat but if stayed in their another year or two yikes! What happened was I unable to get a girlfreind in the witnesses without an elder breathing down my back. I was a good kid, honest, hard working still avirgin but they sanctioned my life more and more as I got older. No concerts, no chess, no dungeons and dragons, no nothing.My father wanted me to go to law school, but I just couldn't take it anymore. I'm also a good looking guy and I never touched a witness girl. I did not want to bring shame on the congregation. But as I felt my life being pissed away and was extremely unhappy from a situation the elders created I felt trapped. I could not relate to women in the world either. I felt if I did not do something radical I would remain this way for the rest of my life. My only option was losing my virginity to a prostitute and I felt so bad I told a sister I thought I could confide in and she ratted me out. It was devastating. Please don't judge me until you read my official bio. They judged me! what I did was extreme but what they did to me throughout my childhood was extreme.
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Tyrone van leyen
Juni I think has got it and it makes me wonder if those after those changes felt any remorse. My father must have known about these changes as well. Talk about being born at the wrong time. Incidently I don't like skeptics who think i'm a liar. Especially as i'm new here. The last thing I need to hear is someone saying they don't beleive me. I have my war wounds from 6 years on the streets and 7 years at the YMCA as a result and don't think I don't know the doctrines either dude. I was actually one of the guys that listened. Not beleiving me is something I would expect from a typical witness. What ^$&%^& reason would I have to make this shit up.
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Junction-Guy
Well now we know the rest of the story, I doubt anyone will jusge you on here for your fling with the prostitute. I know all too well what can happen to a young man who is deprived of normal relationships with a girlfriend, look at my disastrous marriage. Im sorry if you felt that I didnt believe you, that wasnt my intention. Your situation is definitely not the norm when it comes to disassocation, I figured it was either due to a different policy in a different country, or the old short lived version back in the early 80's, now I know more. Im sorry if you thought I was calling you a liar, believe me that wasnt my intention, I was trying to find out an explanation for it.
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Justahuman24
You're going to hell, Tyrone! Oh wait! The JW's don't believe in hell! LOL
Don't mean to mock you but couldn't help making that joke about the JW's belief.
But why did you tell a JW about what you had done? You should've told your parents instead if you felt the need to tell someone. They were your family and they probably would've tried to help you because I'm sure they wouldn't have wanted anyone else to find out what you had done.
I pretty much always lead a double life. I was the only witness in my family and my family opposed. But I was trying to do what was right. However, the witnesses althogh they were always nice and kind, didn't go out of their way to include me in gatherings or ask me to go out with them so I wouldn't get bored, esp. bcz they wouldn't have approved of me hanging out with worldly people. Also, I am gay and they wouldn't help me in that department either. So after a year or so, I decided to leave. Just told two elders - via e-mail - that I couldn't attend the meetings anymore and stopped going. They called me like twice and e-mailed me a few times asking me to talk to them, to meet with them and that they'd help me with whatever it was I needed help. I never did tell them why I was leaving. I would've been disfellowshiped because I had done some things that called for it lol. But I was just tired of leading a double life and after a while, I found the meetings to be boring and the people too. I haven't gone back in almost 2 years now and I have seen few of them but the ones I've seen, don't talk to me. One did once but bcz she didn't know I had stopped going. She had assumed I had moved to another congregation.
Anyway, sorry to hear about what happened to you. And as far as I know, they do keep records for a few years. I once got to see the files and other information that is not made available to most witnesses and if I remember well, it was before I got baptized. I went to college upset NY and I got baptized while I was away at college but my "home" congregation was in Brooklyn, NYC. So I think they liked me bcz 1) I know 3 languages, 2) I was attending a very expensive college 3) I helped once in a while bcz they elders wanted me to do some stuff for the congregation on the computer 4) I told like two of them that there was one of the anointed in my "home" congregation and we all know how they worship the anointed plus, this particular anointed was a member of the GB and 5) because I have a good memory and knew the answers to pretty much everything bcz I had read past publications of the WT on the DC-ROM. I loved the attention they gave me sometimes but after a while, it didn't do it for me.
justahuman - but super nonetheless