Anyone Ever Read The Four Agreements, A Toltec Wisdom Book?

by Good Girl or Bad Girl? 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • Good Girl or Bad Girl?
    Good Girl or Bad Girl?

    subtitle is "a practical guide to personal freedom" by don Miguel Ruiz

    i just started reading this book and it is AMAZING. i have been underlining on every page things that i can personally relate to - and i must admit i'm not very far into it yet (page 25) but i felt a very strong urge to not only recommend it (i'll be back later to weigh in again once i start reading what the four agreements actually are/entail) but also ask if any here (oh my very dear friends on JWD) has read this book and what your personal thoughts are?

    thanks ~

    ~ Good Girl/Bad Girl

  • zagor
    zagor

    Sounds fascinating. Don't know much about Toltecs, they were ancient people that came even before Aztect I believe. Would love to read it though. When I got out of the borg I read lots of easter philosophy of Japan and China as part of my martial arts training (incluting Sun Tzu - The Art of War - it is actually very ethical book about how to fight and win without having to do a battle, applies to just about any aspect of life).
    Recently, I've come across Canadian author who encapsulates so much of what martial arts teach about life and living. Actually I thought of starting a thread on that very topic.

  • Good Girl or Bad Girl?
    Good Girl or Bad Girl?

    Very cool, zagor, i've also got some books on eastern religion that i plan to look into and some that i have already a bit- working to gain lots of perspective here and hopefully deprogram my brain from the narrow, black-and-white JW beliefs.

    this toltec book has just applied so much already in the first 24 pages to how i feel and i think it relates to my JW years, so i post it here...

  • Merry Magdalene
    Merry Magdalene

    Yes, I have that book, and also The Mastery of Love by the same author. I, too, appreciated them very much when I read them and still have the four agreements up on my 'fridge. I remember sharing some of the prayers in the back with friends who were going through hard times. I hope you gain much benefit.

    ~Merry

  • Good Girl or Bad Girl?
    Good Girl or Bad Girl?

    Thank you, Merry! This was a Christmas gift from a work friend; he said it had helped him find inner peace. I'm now on page 38 (I keep going back and rereading, plus reading aloud) and there have been a few things which made me raise an eyebrow, but most of it is very good.

  • Good Girl or Bad Girl?
    Good Girl or Bad Girl?

    What are points that you personally enjoyed?

  • esw1966
    esw1966

    It seems to be a very popular book. I have seen it a lot. I have intended to read it, but at the moment I have a deep interest in learning more about Christ and books like that. Trying to figure it all out....

    I have a future sister-in-law who is very hippiesh and is currently freeing herself from Seventh Day Adventism and she just LOVES the book and has highly recommended it to us as well.

    I have read through parts of it and I think it is a positive book that helps free people. I think that is very beneficial! In the end, I think that Christ frees us from everything and brings us greater joy than we could ever experience any other way. So I turn to him. But I think it is probably a good book.

    In the end, if it helps you GREAT!!!!

    Enjoy the book and let us know your conclusions!

    Ethan

  • Abandoned
    Abandoned

    I read this and The Mastery of Love a year or two ago. They are both very interesting and enlightening. I enjoyed the non-denominational view of god. It doesn't require you believe in christ or any other important person to any religion, but doesn't preclude one so inclined either. After so many years of worshipping god based on other people's commandments, now I worship him on my terms.

  • Good Girl or Bad Girl?
    Good Girl or Bad Girl?

    Having read the book through once, I am not yet sure what my conclusions are, other than that it has some very good ideas in it that I feel I can personally apply and be happier as a result.

    It has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses, and yet I find myself making an application to that upbringing, which is the only upbringing I know, so that would be logical.

    Since I really do want to keep this discussion going, and do think this is a worthwhile book for people to consider, not perhaps as adopting a new way of life or religion, but to see other people's views on things and what has worked for them personally in a quest to discover what works for each of us individually, I am going to post a few excerpts that resonated with me (things I underlined as I read through this the first time).

    I think I will read it again to really benefit from its concepts. It's a fast read really, especially if you don't go back and re-read certain chapters, and read aloud, as I did for much of it. This book is only 138 pages.

    I'll post the excerpts in another post...

    ~GG/BG

  • Good Girl or Bad Girl?
    Good Girl or Bad Girl?

    I think I'll just post what I underlined, and maybe, if anyone is actually interested in this topic, we can go from there... I'm not sure if these excerpts will still make complete sense when taken out of context...

    From Chapter 1: Domestication and the Dream of the Planet

    "With that fear of being punished and that fear of not getting the reward, we start pretending to be what we are not, just to please others, just to be good enough for someone else. We try to please Mom and Dad, we try to please the teachers at school, we try to please the church, and so we start acting. We pretend to be what we are not because we are afraid of being rejected. The fear of being rejected becomes the fear of not being good enough. Eventually we become someone that we are not. We become a copy of Mamma's beliefs, Daddy's beliefs, society's beliefs, and religion's beliefs.

    "All of our normal tendencies are lost in the process of domestication....We rebel because we are defending our freedom.

    "The domestication is so strong that at a certain point in our life we no longer need anyone to domesticate us. We don't need Mom or Dad, the school or the church to domesticate us. We are so well trained that we are our own domesticator. We are an autodomesticated animal. We can now domesticate ourselves according to the same belief system we were given, and using the same system of punishment and reward. We punish ourselves when we don't follow the rules according to our belief system; we reward ourselves when we are the 'good boy' or 'good girl.'"

    Any thoughts on this, either positive or negative?

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