This whole anagoly reaks of suckdom
Military reponse? Or lets not cause more violence
by bboyneko 16 Replies latest jw friends
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GWEEDO
1)Engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate.
Well, believe it or not and lot do think it is appropriate. If the redneck has ASKED around a bit before coming out all punchy, he might have figured that out
BuT just before the 'peace protester' gets hit, he should ask.
Do you guys know anything about international law. Ever heard of the U.N. either.
When the gun totin' redneck says
"duh...i dunno"
Ask him why the hell his country demands other countries abide by it. Like say the Serbs trying to get KLA TERRORIST bases in Albania, just to name one. But when its them they can go act of their own accord however they like.
Also ask him
Why the hell the U.S. supported the Mujahadeen(who later gave rise to the Taliban) against the soviets, when the Mujahadeen were TERRORISTS who where against the soviet idea of including boys and girls in Schools together and actually massacred a whole School cause of this radical Soviet idea. Ask him why they supported a more extremist regime against a regime they actually had more in common with?
Also ask why the hell did a bunch of sicko rag heads decide to park a plane in the 90th or so floor of the WTC...and why a bunch of Palestinians danced in the street. When he parrots: "because they hate freedom"
Tell him to go do some reading
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jelly
Gweedo,
So what are you saying?
Are you saying that the 6000+ people that died deserved it? Are you saying that America has no right to respond due to past wrongs? I would really like to see an answer. Personally I think some people got a sick thrill from watching the attack. I think it made them feel good to see such a horrible thing happen to America.
You might be surprised but I agree America has made mistakes in the past (Serbia is not one of them). The worst one was probably in Cambodia. But as for today I think America has conducted itself exemplary after the attack. Honestly if you can find my one country that has never screwed another country for its own gain I would be surprised. It amazes me how people think we should just take this because of past actions, that we some how deserve to have our cities leveled and people slaughtered. The same people are incapable of seeing the good that America has done for the world. Really countries are like people, none of them are perfect.
Jelly
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TR
Well,
at least Gweedo doesn't claim the U.S. as his country, otherwise I'd ask him to kindly please find a better place to live, where you can have all of the freedoms and pleasures in the world without responsibility, and without having to fight for these wonderful things because I'd like to know where it is.
TR
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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GWEEDO
So what are you saying?
Im saying there is a lot more bullshit around than anyone cares to mention, or question. The air is so full of Hypocrisy you can cut it with a knife...and yes Serbia is one of 'em BTW.
goodluck to yer War on Terrorism, hope it works
as well as yer War on Drugs. As fer me, i felt sick about that plane shit for 3 days...not angry, just sick.
I'll just shut up about all tghis shit, cause life is good, like TR says --never mind how or why--- but its good and so what. God bless yer bombs and exuse my editing cause i'm half shot. -
Pathofthorns
I think its pathetic that those who advocate exhausting non-violent approaches first, and respecting the body of international law are somehow viewed as 'against freedom'.
Freedom is not about vigilante style justice, eye for an eye justice, going around punching people in the mouth to make your point. We have freedom because of the rule of law and because citizens and countries respect those laws.
When we violate those principles, we violate the principles of justice that countries like America are founded on. An investigation must be carried out, a burden of proof established so that those responsible are brought to justice - not innocent people.
I am increasingly impressed as time goes on, by the patience and restraint the U.S. has exercised as the investigation is carried out in the face of repeated calls to "nuke 'em" by ignorant citizens. I am also impressed by people who know the difference between a terrorist and a Muslim and for those who tolerate no prejudice and acts of violence toward another just because they are different.
Path
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Abaddon
Bravo P-o-T!
Julian said; "Bboy: good post, thanks.. I am starting to get sick of reading the posts on here that seem to advocate doing nothing."
Okay, would ANYONE show me a post that advocates doing nothing?
One? Any? None!
What the 'I R Angry, I R hitting you' school forget is that RUSHING in will definately just increase the body count without achieveing the desired aims.
I am a pacifist, at least I think of myself as one. Yet I certainly see that there are times when action is neccesary. If someone hit me on a peace parade, I would insert my placard where the sun don't shine, slogan end first!
Thanks god the American government is showing a deal of restraint - I think they 'let slip' that there were covert operations going on purely as a PR move for the jung-ho lobby and psy-ops on the Taliban, who will no doubt be shooting any suspicious looking rocks or goats that loiter too long, fearing that every bush is an SAS man, or every turn in the road hides Delta Force.
What some people fail to realise is that there is NO use going in like a gunfighter, blazing away.
What some people fail to accept is that excessive use of military force will needlessly kill innocent people, which would be hypocritical, as we are mad with Bin Laden because that's what he does.
What some people are maybe just too dumb to realise is that the Western governments have allowed this situation to develop. Do you think, honestly, that if Israel were called Serbia they would get away with what they do? Do you think that Kuwait would have been freed if it had the same oil reserves as Bosnia? That Rwanda would have happened in any contry where a Western government had a major vested interest?
The Western governments rightly are trying to move the world to an age where there will be greater international security. However, this 'Peacemaker' old west image is invalid unless it not only talks but acts in an even handed manner. Being the guy in the white hat is about killing bad guys AND clearing up the mess afterwards.
At the moment certain parts of the developing world have every reason to doubt the Wests intentions.
Does this mean we should do nothing? NO.
What we have to do is convince those sceptical of the West's motives.
How? By, when the time is right, showing the evidencary trail. By not just shooting the bandits and vamoosing, but by sticking around and helping the peasents the bandits have been oppressing. The American's should know better. By criticsing the Israeli when they do things we would criticise other, less aligned countries for. By helping to bring about a democratic government in Afghanistan, and leaving clear proof that anyone even coming close to the actions of September 11th will be bought to REAL justice, and, very importantly, be SEEN by the world in general as being bought to justice.
Failure to do this will resuly in millions of deaths, all religions, all ethnicities.
Success in doing this will be seen by future historians as the start of cohesive world government.
This is Bin Laden's greatest risk; he has attempted to provoke a war between the West and Islam. Some idiots want to give it to him. However, if he is denied his war by skillful dipomacy, targeted aid to civilians, assistance to anti-Taliban factions and considered millitary might, he REALLY looses big time. Because it will signal the end of an era in which a cross between a mad cultist and a Bond villan can hold the world to ransom.
That, I honestly think, is what most people want.
Militaristic jerks who just want a war can, without being rude, go and perform a physical impossibility of a carnal nature. They are wrong, and you don't need an IQ in three digits to figure it out.
Keep on rocking in the free world...