Fallout Over The WT-UN Contraversey

by Ranchette 43 Replies latest jw friends

  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    This UN-WBTS issue has more potential to negatively affect the R&F's opinion of the WBTS than any other issue that has arisen since the "Franz incident" 20+ years ago.

    Arguably, it may exceed the "Franz incident", since most JWs are fully aware of the WTS's teachings rearding the UN, and proof of the WTS's "prostitution" is readily available on the UN's own website.

    Everyone here should be making the most of this "discovery".

    I would encourage everyone here to click on the FREEMINDS and OBSERVER links at the bottom of this page, and see how Randy and Kent are giving this "ultimate" issue frontpage attention on their websites. Drop them an email "thanking them" for taking the lead in this fight.

  • TweetieBird
    TweetieBird

    I mentioned this to a MS relative of mine who just blew the whole thing off, said he didn't know anything about it. Hopefully, he will think about it.

    Does anyone know if they have considered the information that was listed above in the bookstudies yet? I haven't been to one in a long time, but in light of the current info, I may have to start going and have some ammunition for my JW relatives.

    Thanks Msil for the covert way of passing along the info to JW's.

    "By doubting we come at truth" -Cicero

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    MSIL:

    Very, very good advice--as always.

    Thank you for helping me and others to sort out how to best get this information across to the JW's.

    "Ha'Shem hu ha'Elokim"
    Robdar

  • spider
    spider

    msil
    That was very cunningly done.
    His defenses were down and bammm!
    I love stories like that.
    Nice one.

  • anewperson
    anewperson

    Active Christians of Jah pointed out 2 years ago that the German language website run by Stephan Wolf (sewolf.com/infolink) had an article saying an active JW brother had seen a UN special diplomat's pass that Milton Henschel carries. Perhaps now you will listen.

  • Naeblis
    Naeblis

    I sent this email off to a favourite cousin of mine. I kept it short and sweet for him (though I DID use an unknown email address for now)

    Consider this a message from a concerned friend. While I have no doubts that you will ignore this, perhaps it will give you at least one example that you don't know everything.

    In light of what you believe about the United Nations

    "*** re 241-2 33 Judging the Infamous Harlot ***(published in 1988)

    17 In what way is this symbolic wild beast full of blasphemous names?

    In that men have set up this multinational idol as a substitute for God’s Kingdom—to accomplish what God says his Kingdom alone can accomplish. (Daniel 2:44; Matthew 12:18, 21)

    What is remarkable about John’s vision, though, is that Babylon the Great is riding the scarlet-colored wild beast. True to the prophecy, Babylonish religion, particularly in Christendom, has linked itself with the League of Nations and its successor. "

    Why is the Watchtower a registered NGO??

    What is an NGO? This is taken from the UN Web page.

    "What is an NGO?
    A non-governmental organization (NGO) is any non-profit, voluntary citizens' group which is organized on a local, national or international level. Task-oriented and driven by people with a common interest, NGOs perform a variety of services and humanitarian functions, bring citizens' concerns to Governments, monitor policies and encourage political participation at the community level. They provide analysis and expertise, serve as early warning mechanisms and help monitor and implement international agreements. Some are organized around specific issues, such as human rights, the environment or health. Their relationship with offices and agencies of the United Nations System differs depending on their goals, their venue and their mandate."

    What are the responsibilities of an NGO?

    "In 1968, the Economic and Social Council, by Resolution 1297 (XLIV) of 27 May, called on DPI to associate NGOs, bearing in mind the letter and spirit of its Resolution 1296 (XLIV) of 23 May 1968, which stated that an NGO "...shall undertake to SUPPORT the work of the United Nations and to PROMOTE knowledge of its PRINCIPLES and activities, in accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its competence and activities".

    "What are the Criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI?"
    Organizations eligible for association with DPI are those which:

    SHARE THE IDEALS OF THE UN CHARTER;
    Operate solely on a not-for-profit basis;
    Have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;
    Have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins, and pamphlets; organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the cooperation of the media."

    Why are your leaders actively aligning themselves with this demonic organization? Why have they not told you that they've been members since 1991?? What ELSE don't you know about them? How can you, an educated person, accept an organization that FORBIDS you, a grown adult, to read critical views??

    Finally, I'm sure you'd like some proof that what I'm saying is true. This is the direct link to the UN site that displays it's NGO's. Look near the bottom under the W's. I'm sure you'll see a familiar name.

    http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/ngodir/NGODirAlph/alphabet.htm

    Don't take my word for it.
    ASK YOUR ELDERS..... if they even know

  • Moxy
    Moxy

    im impressed by the people here reporting the impact this info has had on JWs. i really wouldntve expected much. spose it depends a bit on the individual. i like the way you walked your elder friend thru that, msil!

    mox

  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    A(stupid)person:

    Again, you manage to totally screw up the simplest of facts, and proceed to disseminate error.

    Active Christians of Jah pointed out 2 years ago that the German language website run by Stephan Wolf (sewolf.com/infolink) had an article saying an active JW brother had seen a UN special diplomat's pass that Milton Henschel carries. Perhaps now you will listen.

    If you would simply read the info posted in the UN-NGO-WBTS thread, you would learn that NGOs do not gain "UN membership", and NGO staff do not receive "UN membership credentials": no "UN special Diplomat passes.

    Take a look at these excerpts from the DPI-NGO webpage, which have already been posted several times:

    Please note: Association of NGOs with DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status.

    What NGO Reps do get are "grounds passes":

    "How does DPI assist NGOs?"

    The DPI/NGO Section at United Nations Headquarters provides a number of services to its associated organizations.

    ...

    [b]Provides ground passes which grant a main and an alternate NGO representative access

    to all "open" meetings of UN bodies; to DPI photo, film and audio libraries; to the Dag Hammarskjold Library; and, as observers, to the meetings of some 22 NGO committees organized by the Conference of NGOs in Consultative Status with ECOSOC (CONGO);

    When the UN sponsors international Conferences, NGOs must seek and obtain "certification" to attend and participate in such. I really don't know whether the UN Conference then maintains this extra paperwork in-house, or whether additional credentials are issued to NGO Reps.

    Regardless, no NGO Rep would be traveling with "Diplomatic" credentials.

  • detective
    detective

    I've posted this on another thread but I'll tell it again. My JW friend was fairly unphased by the news that the watchtower was riding the back of the beast. He chaulked it up to "lying is okay if it furthers the preaching work". He may not get the implications of it all. Some rank and file members might not really be able to understand the significance of the U.N. finding! In reality, I had slapped him with a variety of things he didn't know about his own religion so I'm sure he was reeling over the "new light" he had received already and couldn't get a grasp on magnitude of all the information. It seems like it's a losing battle what with the terrorist attacks and his overwhelming fear be capitalized on by the organization. The only hope I have is that I planted a seed of thought that will grow at some point. On the up side, the witnesses are gossiping about the U.N. banning all religion so I know that he won't be able to hear the talk of the United Nations without having a little something nagging at the back of his mind.

  • Quandary
    Quandary

    I was supposed to lead the group in the FS today, but just couldn't bring myself to go out. I must say Im quite dismayed lately with all the information now available about the WTS on line. I just finished searching the UN's website and sure enough the WTS is one of the member NGOs. We just covered the material in the Isaiah book about how Babylon the Great is sitting on the UN engaging in spiritual audultery and how she will be DESTROYED soon! While conducting the BS thursday nite I felt like such a hypocrite covering the material and actually having the friends read Rev 17 and asking for comments on the application of the text. I have a lot of work to do now. Monday Im going to carefully share the information with my dad.
    Wish me luck!
    Q

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