My Article On Prof. Tom Wessels Online - Evolution, Bible, Climate Change

by Seeker4 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Seeker4
    Seeker4

    I had posted part of this article earlier, and said when the full text went online, I'd post the link to the magazine.

    This is the third issue of a new magazine I'm working on with two friends who started the magazine idea. The link will bring you to the current cover, and just hit "feature story" on the left hand side. http://www.peoplesvoicemagazine.com/

    The right column has a problem cutting off the last couple of letters. Will try to get that fixed, pronto.

    This was a fun interview to do, and can highly recommend his book.

    S4

  • Abandoned
    Abandoned

    Congratulations buddy. Nice article.

  • zagor
    zagor

    Good work

  • Confession
    Confession

    Enjoyed it, Seeker. One thing I question... His claim is "...until very recently humans lived...in small social groups, closely connected to their human community, practicing reciprocal altruism..."

    I'd love to see some real evidence that such was the case in the main. No doubt this occurred, but my understanding is that this concept of "reciprocal altruism" was very much the exception--not the rule.

    I'm going to forward this to a PHd friend of mine for his comments.

    Aside from that though, I too look forward to our becoming much more environmentally responsible. Only good can come from that.

  • Seeker4
    Seeker4

    Thanks.

    Confession - We really didn't spend that much time on that, but the idea was that in hunter/gatherer societies, those successful would share with the tribe, and that kept them all alive, as not everyone would be successful every day. I mentioned to him Paul Shepard's writings on this, in particular The Tender Carnivore and the Sacred Game, and he was quite familiar with Shepard. You might want to check that book out. In general, and way too simplistically, the premise is that a million years of evolution aimed us at being hunters and gatherers, living in small groups. It all started going to hell with the development of the agricultural societies about 10,000 years ago!

    There's a bit more to it than that, as you might assume, but I'm sure you'd find it interesting. If you Google Paul Shepard, you'll find some neat stuff online.

    S4

  • Madame Quixote
    Madame Quixote

    Very nice article. I enjoyed reading it. Wish I could write like that for income!

    I agree with the question about "reciprocal altruism." It is not likely that homonids would have survived into, or past, the H&G stage of existence without evolving some form of reciprocity at some point in our history; however, calling such reciprocity "altruistic" is perhaps merely a problem of semantics.

    I believe reciprocity of all sorts evolved for very functional reasons, while altruism is a very debatable philosophical theory. Proving such a philosophical theory with scientific, archaeological evidence might be more daunting than establishing general theories on reciprocity, but Wessell apparently knows more than I do about it.

    Anyway, it is a very nicely written article and the guy sounds like he really knows what he's talking about. He is very articulate. I would love to see an elaboration/continuation of the discussion about the "stalling of the Gulf Stream" and about the historical record on previous global climate changes.

  • searching4truth
    searching4truth

    well done. a fascinating article.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Dear S4,

    "He that answereth before he heareth showeth himself to be a fool, and worthy of confusion." - Proverbs 18:13, DOUAY VERSION

    Whilst the wisdom of the KING doth truly find application toward mine foolish and confused self, I none the less must needs proclaim, "good show, thou art the man!" [I haven't yet read the piece, but I KNOW it's gotta be good!]

    Isn't it wonderful to give free rein to the powers that lie within and share them with the world? Congratulations and looking forward to an exciting and stimulating read! It won't put me to sleep, will it?

    Archaically yours,

    CoCo

  • Woodsman
    Woodsman

    First. I lived in Keene as a kid. My mom used to take me to anti nuke rallys and protests. He looks like someone who used to smoke pot with my mom and her friends,(and sometimes me)

    Second, he doesn't look like a tribal elder, he looks like someone who used to smoke pot with my mom and her friends, (and sometimes me).

    I am in complete agreement with him on climate change. Did anyone hear about the ice shelf that dropped into the sea the other day?

    I know his type. He is from the Mother Earth News crowd. Peope I love and respect but see as idealistic at times. For example if everyone had 25 acres in New Hampshire as he does, sure we could all be self sufficient enviromentally friendly micro communities. We could grow our own food, can it, heat with wood and solar, use solar for electricity. We could barter goods and services and share within our communtiy and all would be ducky. I have done much of that and it was ducky when we did it. The sad fact is that it is impossible for everyone to do that. perhaps if we never stopped doing that as a people but remained hunter gatherers in tribal communities we wouldn't have 6 billion people on earth and everyone could have 25 acres of good land. Perhaps. There are many hunter gatherer societies on earth today and I certainly would not want to live in many of their communties. Also hunter gatherers still used to slaughter each other when the chance arose so life wasn't always ducky.

    To be the devils advocate I will mention a few of the good things that have come out of our society. First while many have accurately pointed out that technology has brought many woes to the planet and our race it has also brought much good. Medical advancements that fight the natural tendency to get sick and die are one of them. When one man can farm and feed a thousand then 999 other people can focus on doing other things. Many of which the farmer is glad they are doing. The arts is just one example. Literature is another. After all what will the farmer do when it is too dark to farm. And that brings me to television, ooohh yeah TV.

    It is possible that we will all die due to the results of our agricultural society and the technology it has brought us. But it is possible we will all live because and only because of these developements. Most are aware now of the reality that it is only a matter of time before another mass extinction is imminent due to an asteroid or comet. Scientists are now working on ways to prevent such from happening. If it occurs we could have as little as six months notice.

    I prefer the agricultural society with all its risks and negative consequences. I'm an optimist and think that although we identify problems early and work out solutions at the last minute that eventually we will get it right. We have the technology now to stop global warming we just need the will. I think it will come.

    If we die trying thats ok too.

  • Confession
    Confession

    Woodsman, just wanted say I really enjoyed that post.

    Regards,

    Confession

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