I am not a jehovah's Witness, so please take your time and explain this!!!!

by kidder222 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • kidder222
    kidder222

    Ok to begin I was born Catholic, recently became intune with God, and now just believe in the Holy scripture. But I have many question to you guys who are Jehovah's Witness'. Many of the things I have read you believe in sound completely false, and ridiculous. So I would like someone to explain to me a few things . . . . .

    1. The Trinity - Please explain what you believe for this. here is what i believe

    a. God- The one and only Almight lord. Creator of the heaven and earth.

    b. Jesus- God's son, son of man. Came to free us from sin by God, was lead by God, and had God with him. He performed miracles, given power by God.

    c. Holy Spirit - I believe this is God's will through us. But we must embrace it, and accept it with no denial. We must truly accept God.

    2. Jesus/Michael - How can you at all say Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael, he was the one to defeat the demons, and angels do not take human form. Jesus is at the right hand of God right now, as well as Michael is there. But they are different.

    3. You say only 144,000 are to be saved. yet it says in the scripture MILLIONS will be saved, but there will be a special purpose for the 144,000. Also you are to be the only saved, yet there are more than 144,000 Jehovah's witness', much more.

    4. You believe Jesus came to only your society in 1914, yet Jesus said when he is to come back it will be the Apocolypse. And even HE does not know when it will be, only the Lord almighty himself knows. This is also in the scripture.

    5. You believe all Christians cant understand the Bible except for yourselves. Trust me I understand what I have read for the most part. I do take into my life aswell, It also says DO NOT judge others in the Bible, YET that is what you do. That is all you do, you judge others.

    6. You believe the possibility of Jesus failing his mission, HOW ??

    7. You believe God is NOT all knowing, which is ridiculous. He knows all, he even has our little lives written on a scroll, maybe you've heard of it. The book of LIFE. Also in the bible.

    8. You say jesus became the savior at his Baptism, that is ridiculous. Mary was told of the birth before it happened by angels.

    9. You say the Holy spirit is only for select Jehovah's.... Well I can tell you I have the holy spirit in me, I have had revelations, and I know its true.

    10. You say only YOUR prayers are heard by God. Thats just stupid, I have had prayers answered, clear as day. Almost impossible to deny the things revealed.

    11. How can you call Pastors the Anti-Christ?? They have served their life to the Lord, although some made mistakes. There are some who did not.

    So in my opinion, your little cult has been sparked by the Devil. The started of this clan had demons inside of him, You had said Armaggedon will happen on like 8 different dates, BUT IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE ONLY GOD KNOWS WHEN, NOT EVEN JESUS!!!! The end of times will be like the twinkle of an eye. Jesus will come from the clouds and desimate all evil and build HIS kingdom. Oh wait you guys think he has an invisible kingdom right now...... right...... and where did you get all this little info from. You go against things written in the scripture, yet your the only ones to be saved??? Right..... well I will be glad to hear all these answers from you. I didnt write this for a fight, I am actually curious to your responses.

    When you answer Please put a number in front of it so you can point out the question or statement your responding to. God bless...

  • kls
    kls

    Most here are Exjws and think all the wt teachings are crap too .

    .......Welcome

  • confusedjw
    confusedjw

    Welcome to the board. You clearly have an agenda, but you should read a few posts and revisit this topic.

  • Abandoned
    Abandoned

    Welcome kidder222,

    We know all of these doctrines are right because God handpicked a group of men to guide us. They are in charge and they tell us what to believe and we do it. It's so cool. We don't have to worry about doctrine or falsehood. All we have to do is read the Watchtower and Awake! magazines and we know what God thinks and what he wants us to do. Please, just forget about these questions and join us. All you have to do is stop thinking and you can be one of us too. Plus, if you don't do anything wrong that the elders find out about until you die, then you get to live forever in paradise. It's all right there in the bible. Don't worry about reading it yoruself though. The magazines will tell you what the bible says and tell you where you can find the information and since the magazines don't lie, you don't even have to verify any of it. Since you can believe without verification, you have a lot more time to pass this information on to other people. It's the coolest thing ever. This is the coolest religion ever.

    LOL! Sorry, I can't keep that up any longer. Friend, you haven't stumbled into an official jehovah's witness site, but you have stumbled onto a sight that will tell you the official deal about the jehovah's witnesses. They tell you what to believe. You do it or you're evil. It's that simple.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Welcome aboard kidder - I hope you're not really a kidder, eh?

    So in my opinion, your little cult has been sparked by the Devil. The started of this clan had demons inside of him, You had said Armaggedon will happen on like 8 different dates, BUT IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE ONLY GOD KNOWS WHEN, NOT EVEN JESUS!!!! The end of times will be like the twinkle of an eye. Jesus will come from the clouds and desimate all evil and build HIS kingdom. Oh wait you guys think he has an invisible kingdom right now...... right...... and where did you get all this little info from. You go against things written in the scripture, yet your the only ones to be saved??? Right..... well I will be glad to hear all these answers from you. I didnt write this for a fight, I am actually curious to your responses.

    A suggestion or two: if you're sincerely trying to reach JWs in orde to "save" them, then there's certain things you should know. Expressions like these will do nothing to win anyone, it's simply insulting.

    I didnt write this for a fight,

    Then why write it?

    Those of us who grew up as dubs well understand that a certain etiquette is called for. I'm sure that's what Catholic tradition dictates too, isn't it?

    Anyway, as others have written, posters of all sorts of backgrounds post here but chiefly those who in some way have a JW background, but the ex-dubs far outnumber the active dubs.

    Still, enjoy your stay. Let's hope that your posts can provoke serious thought.

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • lighthouse19something
    lighthouse19something

    An interesting point is jws use the fact that Jesus doesn't know the time to argue against the trinity, on your point #6, Jesus add free will to serve as a ransom or not. Fortunately, he did. On point #7, God expressed disappointments he has had in men, so we still have the power of choice, which God can be surprised or disapointed by.

  • onlycurious
    onlycurious

    Kidder222,

    I am here for other reasons, as I am not a jw. However, I am a Christian and I will kindly tell you that your approach in ministry will only repel. It's important to be respectful of what others believe, even if you don't agree with it. Ask questions without motives and always in love.

    I have met a lot of really nice people here and am here because I have a jw friend who has no idea she's in a cult. Now, if I slammed her with Bible "truth" that is completely the opposite of what she has been fed all her life.....she probably won't hang out long as my friend.

    I want her to know that I will be her friend regardless of what she believes. Whether she is a jw, buddhist, athiest or Christian.....or a complete outcast because of sinful behavior....I am here for her. It's that kind of love that attracts people to truth.

    But, don't just 'love' to bring them to truth...as that is a conditional motive.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    7. You believe God is NOT all knowing, which is ridiculous.

    It might be if it were true. Are you able to direct us to where the dubs teach that Jehovah is not all knowing?

    8. You say jesus became the savior at his Baptism, that is ridiculous. Mary was told of the birth before it happened by angels.

    I'm not so sure that you can quickly rush to condemn on this either. Mary was told of what must happen in the future. After all, prophecy is the future written in advance, isn't it?

    11. How can you call Pastors the Anti-Christ?? They have served their life to the Lord, although some made mistakes. There are some who did not.

    This is contradictory. If "some made mistakes", is it not possible they are anti-Christ? You must also consider that being sincere is no guarantee of being right. Recall the Pharisees and what Jesus had to say to them in condemnation.

    c. Holy Spirit - I believe this is God's will through us.

    This is 'drawing a long bow', isn't it? Jesus promised that he would send the Spirit as a helper and "he" would "teach you all things"

    Whilst I hold no support for Witness teachings, we need to get our facts right if we are to have any hope 0of convincing a dub that thier beliefs are in error.

  • fokyc
    fokyc

    you should read a few posts and revisit this topic

    That is really good advice, if you had taken the trouble and a little bit of time to understand the majority on this board, by reading just a few of the posts, you would not have made yourself out to be so silly/stupid.

    But never the less, Welcome to the forum.

    fokyc

  • Clam
    Clam

    Kidder222 - ok you win. Your god is better than the JW god. Well done.

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