I am not a jehovah's Witness, so please take your time and explain this!!!!

by kidder222 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo
    Ok to begin I was born Catholic, recently became intune with God, and now just believe in the Holy scripture.

    Congratulations! Bully for you!! Give yourself a pat on the back!!!! Does that mean we're suposed to listen to you now cos 'you have the power'?

    1. The Trinity - Please explain what you believe for this. here is what i believe
    a. God- The one and only Almight lord. Creator of the heaven and earth.
    b. Jesus- God's son, son of man. Came to free us from sin by God, was lead by God, and had God with him. He performed miracles, given power by God.
    c. Holy Spirit - I believe this is God's will through us. But we must embrace it, and accept it with no denial. We must truly accept God.

    Are you non-Trinitarian by any chance? If so, why are you dissing another groups similar non-Trinitarian stance?

    If you are Trinitarian you need to do a lot better than this and check you have the right theology.

    and angels do not take human form

    one word - Nephillim? it's in the Bible

    3. You say only 144,000 are to be saved. yet it says in the scripture MILLIONS will be saved, but there will be a special purpose for the 144,000. Also you are to be the only saved, yet there are more than 144,000 Jehovah's witness', much more.

    You haven't even properly understood JW teaching have you? Do you realise your refutation is exactly the same? The 144,000 anointed JW's will have the 'special purpose' in Heaven whilst the millions of other JWs will live on earth. Plain enough?

    5. You believe all Christians cant understand the Bible except for yourselves. Trust me I understand what I have read for the most part. I do take into my life aswell, It also says DO NOT judge others in the Bible, YET that is what you do. That is all you do, you judge others.

    Back at ya pal - what are you doing here in this post? Look at your final paragraph.

    6. You believe the possibility of Jesus failing his mission, HOW ??

    Any Christian should believe this within the Biblical context - Jesus could have walked away from that cross any time he liked, hence he would have failed his mission. Your salvation is not complete until the last judgement - Jesus is still free to turn his back on you, he won't, but he could if he wants, if he did, he would have failed his mission not to lose a single one who the Father had given to him. It's in the Bible.

    8. You say jesus became the savior at his Baptism, that is ridiculous. Mary was told of the birth before it happened by angels.

    And your connection between the two is.....?

    9. You say the Holy spirit is only for select Jehovah's.... Well I can tell you I have the holy spirit in me, I have had revelations, and I know its true.

    Then why are you not displaying the fruit of the Spirit?

    11. How can you call Pastors the Anti-Christ?? They have served their life to the Lord, although some made mistakes. There are some who did not.

    "Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord....." It's in the Bible, check it out.

    So in my opinion, your little cult has been sparked by the Devil. The started of this clan had demons inside of him, You had said Armaggedon will happen on like 8 different dates, BUT IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE ONLY GOD KNOWS WHEN, NOT EVEN JESUS!!!! The end of times will be like the twinkle of an eye. Jesus will come from the clouds and desimate all evil and build HIS kingdom. Oh wait you guys think he has an invisible kingdom right now...... right...... and where did you get all this little info from. You go against things written in the scripture, yet your the only ones to be saved??? Right..... well I will be glad to hear all these answers from you. I didnt write this for a fight, I am actually curious to your responses.

    I refer you to the reply to no. 11 above.

    You definitely don't believe in the Trinity do you??

    "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."

    It's in the Bible which you now think so highly of ... check it out and learn.

    Oh, and welcome to the board if you're neither a troll or too embarassed to come back!!!!

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo

    Ozzie:

    7. You believe God is NOT all knowing, which is ridiculous.

    It might be if it were true. Are you able to direct us to where the dubs teach that Jehovah is not all knowing?

    I have vague recollections of being told this while studying. Something about God choosing not to know some things or somehow limiting his knowledge of events. It was something to do with a certain Scripture verse I think. Maybe someone else here will know.

  • Honesty
    Honesty
    Well I can tell you I have the holy spirit in me, I have had revelations, and I know its true. kidder222

    Is He convicting you for posting your version of Truth on this board?

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    G'day Sad emo:

    we're having fun with this, aren't we?

    I have vague recollections of being told this while studying. Something about God choosing not to know some things or somehow limiting his knowledge of events.

    Yes, I'm aware of that and I suspected that our kidder may have this in mind too; still, I think this is no where near the claim that God is not all knowing. If He limits his knowledge, how could it be said that He's not all knowing?

    Still, I've come to the conclusion that the dubs' teaching is nonsense, just pure semantics.

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo
    this is no where near the claim that God is not all knowing. If He limits his knowledge, how could it be said that He's not all knowing?

    Thanks ozzie! I never thought of it like that before

    You can't beat a good 'post dissecting' on the first day of a new year lol!

  • gumby
    gumby
    So in my opinion, your little cult has been sparked by the Devil.. .. I didnt write this for a fight.

    Thats like me saying to you, "your mother wears army boots"....but I'm not looking for a fight.

    I'm glad about one thing kidder.....if you thought this was a pro JW site, then so do many others like yourself.

    Funny thing about guys/gals ( but probably a guy) like Kidder.....even though many know he's a bogus poster, we still love to battle with him.

    Gumby

    Mornin Ozmeister

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    Hello kidder, and welcome to the forum (I think?)

    As you probably already know, most of us on here are former jws who no longer agree with the ramblings of the watchtower society. However, where you to use the approach you use here with a committed jw, I can assure you that it wouldn't be a very long conversation. You say you've recently become intune with god, and believe in the scriptures. Well, the scriptures say that "god is love", and I can find nothing very loving about your approach, perhaps you are a beginner, as you certainly don't display too many of the fruitages of the spirit talked about at Galatians 5:22,23 22 " But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control"

    I don't see much evidence of those qualities in this statement:

    So in my opinion, your little cult has been sparked by the Devil. The started of this clan had demons inside of him, You had said Armaggedon will happen on like 8 different dates, BUT IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE ONLY GOD KNOWS WHEN, NOT EVEN JESUS!!!! The end of times will be like the twinkle of an eye. Jesus will come from the clouds and desimate all evil and build HIS kingdom. Oh wait you guys think he has an invisible kingdom right now...... right...... and where did you get all this little info from. You go against things written in the scripture, yet your the only ones to be saved??? Right..... well I will be glad to hear all these answers from you. I didnt write this for a fight, I am actually curious to your responses.

    While I would agree that the jws are a cult, you won't get far with any jw if you say they are to them. I suggest you read a lot more on this forum before you make any more accusatory posts like this one, and read a lot more of your bible. Then you might put on a little more of the new personality (Ephesians 5:23,24) that christians are supposed to acquire. You might be a little less aggressive in your approach than you are now.

    Thinking about it, you are probably a troll anyway, so I doubt we'll see you here again.

  • lfcviking
    lfcviking
    It also says DO NOT judge others in the Bible, YET that is what you do.

    From the sound of your post you sound like your slipping into that mode of judgementalism yourself. Maybe you need to calm down a bit aswell.

  • moshe
    moshe

    Kidder, please send me your address by Pm and I will fill out one of those Bible Study coupons from a JW " The end of false religion" tract I have. JW's will come to your home and they can attempt to explain why they believe this stuff. Good luck trying to help any of them see your side of Christianity.

  • kidder222
    kidder222

    Lol, well it seems by me saying your way of things are sparked by the devil is wrong. Yet all im doing is contradicting what you say yourself about me and my beliefs. So again please explain how the heck I am wrong for doing so by saying what your saying, except its against you. Your saying im taking line of judgement, when that is all you believe in, you are judging 99% of people by saying we are wrong, and what we do is wrong. I do not believe in judging others, your mistakes are your own and you can live and die with the consequences.

    Your also making it seem like I do want to fight, when in fact I dont, I was just looking for answers to the 11 things I posted, and none were really answered. Only replied with another question which wont even lead to the answer I am seeking. By contradicting me when I said I have felt the Spirit, and had been given messages. You make it seem as if im trying to be more holy than yourself, which is infact not true. All I was stating is you dont have to be a JW to recieve God, and to say I have to live like you to go to heaven is so stupid. if you have ever read the rich man story in the bible you will see jesus told him to do 6 things to get eternal life. Which are of the 10 commandments. So yeah for you guys to condemn me for believing in God and Christ is stupid and plain fucking ridiculous, how can you not see how your wrong??

    THERE HAS BEEN LIKE 12 DIFFERENT END OF WORLD DATES FROM YOU GUYS!!!! It says in the bible only God himself knows when it will happen, not the deceased, angels, and Christ himself. Only the Lord.

    If you guys are against the JW, then howcome your arguing with me?? You think Jesus was Michael and there is no facts or proof of this. From what I read you guys have your own little bible, and your telling me to read mine. Which in fact I do, considering its the real thing literally passed down from the original in translation. if you do have your own little bible it has been edited by man.

    But yeah, if you want to have a personal conversation, I am more than willing to talk to you, message me at [email protected]

    God bless....

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