"Jehovah Has Become King", video by Robert King (page 2)

frankiespeakin

Maybe the title would have been more correct if it was named:"Jehovah Has Become Robert King"

zensim

I couldn't watch more than a minute of it before my stomach began to churn. Sounds like the start of any normal talk on any given Sunday at the KH.

Same delivery, same message, same result - inspire massive fear, worry and negativity, then provide the 'solution!' (so what if it's another hack based theory?).

When I look at someone like him that is what I used to think an 'apostate' looked like - someone who acts and talks like a witness but has their own god complex. I think that is why I found it so hard when I left and realised some people thought I was an apostate just because I said I didn't agree the gov bod was Jeh's org - because I always thought apostates were nut jobs.

He's really no different to most witnesses, he is still definitely under the mind control - just imposing it on himself now. Basically they started it and he has kept it going! The borgs would be proud of themselves!!!!

zensim

The borgs would be proud of themselves!!!!

Actually I am editing myself - I don't really believe the org is some deliberate conspiracy theory based alien nation. I am sure most of them and most witnesses are just victim of the pervasive religious mindset that has existed for hundreds of years. I think, like most things, most orgs or groups start out with good intentions, but human nature and existing consciousness of the time seems to devolve it into something else.

Just thought I would explain myself seeing as I am new here - not that it really matters I guess.

proplog2

He is giving in to the prophetic seduction. It's OK to make predictions as long as you realize YOU are making the predictions. When you think God is working through you - you have been seduced. The Watchtower has this problem - primarily via Fred Franz's influence.

This is how it works:

We are the special people of God.

I (Freddy) have the duty of writing articles and interpreting prophecy.

Therefore I (Freddy) am God's special spokesman.

Anything that arouses My (Freddy) curiosity is a special area that God wants Me (Freddy) to attend to.

Any conclusions I (Freddy) reach through My (Freddy) investigation and that is subsequently printed in the Watchtower is food in due season.

That's how a pedantic obssessive compulsive pharisee came up with weird chronologies, convoluted blood transfusion policies, rigid attitudes toward alternative service, 1975, disfelowshipping smokers, stoning young people with their "dirty" adolescent sexual desires.

King is more entrepreneurial than Franz. Franz, like a virus, hijacked a completely formed organization. King is capable of Russell-like formation of his OWN organization.

It's too bad Rutheford died when he did. He seemed to at least enjoy a good bottle of hooch and a salty joke or two.

drew sagan

I mean, for all of his quirks, I think Russell came about whatever success he had fairly honestly. Don't think he was looking for lots of personal attention.

When Russell first started out, he taught that the 'faithful slave' was the body of Christians on the earth. This changed when he wife put forward the view that he himself was the slave. While Russell never proclaimed the teaching himself, he sure did approve of it (and believed himself to be it as well). I think he felt that he would not have to proclaim the teaching because when the end came (in his lifetime) all things talked about in his books would be proven true. If you have enough people telling you that your books helped them figure out the secrets of the universe, it's only natural that this begins to have an effect on your thinking.

I've read Robert Kings stuff from time to time (even way back in the late 90s I believe). I think his original motives where to try and reconcile reality with what is personally desired to be true. When the followers started to form around his webpage, I believe it started to give him the same feeling that Russell got when people started to look to him as Gods steward on earth. He has shifted the importace of the Witnesses have in gods plan over to himself. I believe Russell eventually (but not in the beginning) did the same. The two men didn't have the same beginning in the absolute sense, but what happned to them because of their success appears so similar to me.

Of course Rutherford is another story. I don't think it ever started with pure motives there, just a simple desire for power.

proplog2

I would rather be led by a total power grabbing hypocirte than a person who really believes God is guiding him.

Confession

Agreed, Drew. Like I may have pointed out earlier--after receiving a lot of attention, things changed a bit. Heck, even Russell's wife was calling him the "Faithful Slave." I don't know enough about Robert King's past, but presently he's on the path to cultdom. With all due respect, I hope he at some point has the humility to see the pattern that he's falling into.

GermanXJW

Does anybody know where he got the money from to start his ministry?

ZEN

Robert King is a great man, you should listen to him sometimes

hillary_step

Zen,

Robert King is a great man, you should listen to him sometimes

Some of us listened to him for years. He was a sort of on-line theological soap opera, complete with all the usual hooks that keeps soap-opera fans so happy. Amnesia, dishonesty, improbably lunacy, mild humor, self-obsession, and of course his numerous failed prophecies. Among his failures was prophesying the end of the world as we know it as the C20th turned into the C21st. I must say, he was much more entertaining than Coronation Street when he got cracking, and equally as tedious after a while. His messianic attachment to Rush Limbaugh, one that I am sure he is quite embarrassed by these days, drew numerous posters to question his sanity, but there was no need to ponder this question for too long as this was self-evident. GermanXJW,

Does anybody know where he got the money from to start his ministry?

He claimed to have made a lot of cash on the stock market, which is not beyond credulity. He was/is, like Fred Franz quite brilliant in a bipolar, Dr. Frankestine, I am a rubberplant sort of way and from what I have seen of his web site, it is not a cheap deal. Perhaps he invested in the pharmacy that Rush Limbaugh gets his drugs from. HS

"Jehovah Has Become King", video by Robert King

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