The Society Isn't about Money. The Governing Body isn't the Illuminati. (page 2)

Junction-Guy

Under believer, I agree on some things and disagree with others. Sure the WT is constantly building new buildings, but they are also selling them for big profits too, so where does the money go? The above scenario is unique in that the WT Society is the only organization that doesnt have some outlet for their money. As for Scientology, their money goes to certain people who have gotten rich off of it, Ron Hubbard made a fortune off Scientology. I will agree that the Governing Body does not live in wealth like so many other religious figures do. If the self perpetuating theory is true, then eventually the WT Society will be the riches organization around, because they dont spend any of it on charity, they just keep reinvesting it.

Gregor

Talk about red herrings. This entire topic is fluff. I don't care what Jim Jones did with all the power he had over his tiny cult. Maybe he wore expensive shoes, maybe not, who cares? It was an ugly, cruel, mind control scheme that resulted in a horrible mass suicide-murder. The GB is Jim Jones on steroids and the mass suicide-murders, i.e. the blood issue is in slow motion, taking place over several decades. Not to mention the incalcuable human misery caused by their decrees to disfellowship, avoid higher education, go to prison rather than be drafted, ad nauseum. Do you have a real point or are you just a ditz? "Nigh Sentient" my ass.

yaddayadda

I agree entirely that it is not about money and personal riches or personal power. This aspect is greatly exaggerated.

It's my belief that they only thing that would ever destroy the organisation is if they did the unbelievable in the minds of the average JW: accepted the 'false teachings' of Christendom. That is what happened to the WCG after Herbert Armstrong died.

But as long as the WTS keeps teaching their unorthodox combination of core beliefs that for the most part are traced back to Charles Russell, ie, non-trinity, mortality of the soul, kingdom government rule over a paradise earth, and earthly and heavenly resurrections, they will always attract a large, loyal following no matter what happens to prominent individuals within the WTS.

Actually, your argument would probably be taken by the typical JW to be proof that it is the one true religion, because no matter what scandals or changes of personnel/leadership occur within it, JW's feel that if it is God's then it won't be stopped. Thus JW's sincerely believe that nothing can really harm the Society, no matter how big the scandal.

under_believer

Gregor, get over your fat, sugary-juice-filled, sexagenarian self. You want somebody to be responsible, because it makes the whole mess make sense to your narrow-minded worldview. You want an avatar, an agent of responsibility to point to and excoriate in your rambling, wall-breaking-down, "OH YEAH"-filled prancing. You need someone to bear the guilt.

There is no one. You resent my calling out the fact that the individual members of the Governing Body are as trapped and victimized as the rest of the victims of the Watchtower Society. You can't conceive of the idea that maybe the whole organization as a whole is evil and has taken on a life of its own.

You personally attack me and call me a ditz, because you can't wrap your broad-lipped, vacantly-smiling glass head around the idea that maybe there isn't a single evil person or body to point to and call evil and hold to account. Did you ever think, Gregor, that maybe most of the policies that are hurtful and evil about the Society came into being before almost all of the the current Governing Body even existed in that role?

And comparing them to Jim Jones? Get a life and shut your fat chili-hole.

LittleToe

I remember when I was first asked what the Governing Body got out of it all, and had no reply (it was just prior to leave the WTS myself). It didn't take long before I realised that it's all about the power. They want for nothing, but aren't exactly amassing personal fortunes. They do, however, have the power to make 6m people jump to their tune.

Narkissos

u_b,

I think you are spot on in pointing to the WT structure, system or machinery over the individuals, even at the "top". Perhaps you overstate it a bit by suggesting that nobody can change it. People can change a structure... when the structure itself "feels" the need to change. That is, when it doesn't work as well as it did and it becomes clear that the status quo is more dangerous than any change. Then an individual, or group, or trend, can be received as providential just as easily as it would have been rejected as a threat the day before.

Deceived deceivers, all of them... all of us, probably, in some way.

jaguarbass

underbeliever, you make a good logical observation.

Gregor

Gregor, get over your fat, sugary-juice-filled, sexagenarian self. You want somebody to be responsible, because it makes the whole mess make sense to your narrow-minded worldview. You want an avatar, an agent of responsibility to point to and excoriate in your rambling, wall-breaking-down, "OH YEAH"-filled prancing. You need someone to bear the guilt.

There is no one. You resent my calling out the fact that the individual members of the Governing Body are as trapped and victimized as the rest of the victims of the Watchtower Society. You can't conceive of the idea that maybe the whole organization as a whole is evil and has taken on a life of its own.

You personally attack me and call me a ditz, because you can't wrap your broad-lipped, vacantly-smiling glass head around the idea that maybe there isn't a single evil person or body to point to and call evil and hold to account. Did you ever think, Gregor, that maybe most of the policies that are hurtful and evil about the Society came into being before almost all of the the current Governing Body even existed in that role?

And comparing them to Jim Jones? Get a life and shut your fat chili-hole. Gee, I guess asking (not calling you) if you were a ditz didn't set well. But "fat, sugary-juice-filled, sexagenarian self" is really hitting below the belt (I think...?) But I am puzzled by the statement "You can't conceive of the idea that maybe the whole organization as a whole is evil and has taken on a life of its own." I think that is exactly what I was saying and who is in charge of every word and action of the Org? Are you saying no one is responsible? I had the opportunity to ask Ray Franz in a personal conversation in 1983 if the GB were just a bunch of well intentioned men who were caught up in the WT machine or if they were coldblooded plotters and manipulators. He said most fell into the former category but the ones running things fit the latter description. PS. I think you over reacted to my disagreeing with you. But your response is a good insight into your insecure ego.

becca1

KInda scary, but I think you are probably right. Of course, the dubs would say that's because they are God's org. and are guided by HS, therefore, the individuals of the GB at any given time do not really count. They will always be as long as Jehovah wants them to be.

OUTLAW

Under Believer..WBT$ has a cherry aircraft..Who do you think gets to ride in it?..WBTS has speakers that speak all over the world..Who do you think gets to travel the world?..Circut oversears(Is that what they call them now?) get a pleasant Green HandShake..$$$$$$$$..How much do you think a GB member gets?..I`ve seen people in suits they could`nt afford..I hear J.R.Brown drives a cherry ride.Somebody hooked him up big time.....By the way,love the thread..Good one!...OUTLAW

The Society Isn't about Money. The Governing Body isn't the Illuminati.

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