Bible Teach: Baptism does not indicate dedication to an organization

by M.J. 14 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    From "What Does The Bible Really Teach?", p. 18 (emphasis mine)

    *** bh chap. 18 p. 183 Baptism and Your Relationship With God ***
    However, baptism is not a mere bath. It is a symbol of something very important. Going beneath the water symbolizes that you have died to your former life course. Being raised up out of the water indicates that you are now alive to do the will of God. Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, not to a work, a cause, other humans, or an organization. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God—an intimate relationship with him.—Psalm 25:14.

    So there you have it. Maybe you can bring this up at your apostasy hearing.

  • cyberdyne systems 101
    cyberdyne systems 101

    As usual what a new comer see's/reads is completely different to reality. The baptism questions are reality - exclusive devotion to the FDS.

    CS 101

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades

    One of the questions at the baptism talk is about understanding that your dedication is to 'God's Spirit Directed Organization'. This contradicts what is written in the Teach book.

    Blueblades

  • Confession
    Confession

    This (again) is part of the letter I've written for my mom...

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    In whose name were you baptized, mom? Well I know you were baptized in the 1950’s, so no doubt at your baptism you were asked the following questions as published in the Watchtower of August 1, 1966 on page 465…

    “(1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?
    (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?”

    These are the same questions asked of me when I was baptized in 1983. So we publicly acknowledged our dedication to God, and that our salvation comes through Jesus. You and I took no oath to the Watchtower Society or any group of humans. But guess what happened? The Watchtower of June 1, 1985 on page 30 shows that the Society created its very own type of baptism with a revision of the former questions.

    “On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
    The second is:
    Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?”

    It takes no small amount of chutzpah to insert a human organization into these vows that are supposed to have nothing to do with human leaders and everything to do with Christ.

    In the new book the Watchtower Society released, “What Does the Bible Really Teach?” in chapter 18, they list six things they regard as requirements for Christian baptism. They include having a formal study with a Witness, officially becoming an “Unbaptized Publisher,” and demonstrating ones Bible knowledge to Witness elders. But how can we reconcile this with Acts 10:34-48 in which Peter speaks less than two hundred words to Cornelius whereupon he and his entire family are immediately baptized? Or with Acts 16:11-15 in which Lydia and her household were baptized after listening to one session of Jesus’ disciples speaking? Or with Acts 16:25-34 in which a jailer and his family were baptized “without delay” after one late-night discussion with Paul and Silas?

    Whatever reason they supply for needing these “baptism requirements,” one thing is clear: they have gone “beyond the things that are written.” There is no other possible conclusion than that, in so doing, they are able to seize more control over those in the congregations. We are not supposed to be baptized in the name of Paul or Cephas or anyone other than Jesus Christ. But the Society now requires people to acknowledge the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses in their baptism vows. Way, way, wayyy beyond “the things written.”

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    ! Peter 3:21 says 21 And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    If God gives a clean conscience, who is an organization to take that away based on their standards

    abr

  • blondie
    blondie

    Can one be dedicated to God and not be part of the WTS per the WTS?

  • Confession
    Confession

    Blondie, when I had the only (and apparently last) conversation with my mother in March of 2006 about why I no longer believed in the WTS, that is basically the question I asked her. It went something like this...

    ME: What's hard to see at first is how our relationship with the WTS ends up being a dedication to them instead of to Jehovah.

    MOM: No, our dedication is to Jehovah.

    ME: Then why do we need the WTS?

    MOM: It's not really the WTS. It's the Faithful & Discreet Slave.

    ME: Mom, the things we're taught as JWs are not coming from these people, spread throughout the earth, who identify themselves as "anointed." They're coming from the WTS. That's who we answer to.

    MOM: Well, of course, there's not always going to be one of the slave class around... (I don't think she ever really got this point across how she might have wanted to.)

    ME: So you don't see how, by adhering to all the rules and dictates of the WTS, we're actually dedicating ourselves to them instead of God?

    MOM: No, no, no... We dedicate ourselves to Jehovah.

    ME: Okay. So do you believe that you can be dedicated to Jehovah--and acceptable to Him--while having no relationship with the WTS?

    MOM: Well, no, we believe you do need that.

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    Blondie, Christ and others were dedicated and even the whole nation of Isreal according to the WT, but they were not a part of a publishing company. I always wonder what kind of briefcases the apostles had and what was in them?

    abr

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    hello MJ... do you have one of those books that witnesses use ... um is it like the organized book or something? or the one used with aakkk the 266 pre-baptismal question? where it actually spells out the questions asked at baptism? the bible teach book for new studies saying one thing, the more indepth for the - too late we got you bunch. frauds - all of them LOL happy new year! wp

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    Yeah, it's pretty misleading I think. Especially when the true litmus test for whether or not you are "remaining in God's love" ultimately comes down to whether or not you accept the WTS as God's only rep.

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