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kid-A

"Sex is so pleasurable that only a supreme being could have done that."

Interesting. Nymphomania by religious proxy....must be a new diagnosis! LOL.....

avidbiblereader

Sorry you lost me with all that Will wordage. Not into a cyber argument though, just trying to understand your point. Sorry I am a little slow behind the wheel sometimes.

abr

What is "god" and why believe? Often there is an natural awe at the infinite beauty and wonder of life and universe which stimulates a desire to honor it's Source. Generally it seems we lazily accept ideas passed down to us; ideas or mental concepts of a deity or entity, a shard of existence which we then worship. Belief is only thought and mental images combined with, and intensified by, emotions. We come to place great significance on our cherished mental illusions and identify with them so strongly that to lose them, is to lose ourselves. Lost in thought, beliefs and scripture (other peoples beliefs) we lose sight of the reality which started it all: the awe stimulated by the present moment of existence within an infinite expression of beauty and wonder. I stopped believing in any definable, limited, circumscribable deity or god; and so relinquished the Bible and all teachings which presents diminutive concepts of a god. Belief is not needed when attention is placed on the still, yet vibrant presence of being and existing. The moment is endlessly too rich to require beliefs in gods, or beliefs in a "me" who is isolated and separate from the boundless and true Source and Sustenance of all. j

daystar

abr

Sorry you lost me with all that Will wordage. Not into a cyber argument though, just trying to understand your point. Sorry I am a little slow behind the wheel sometimes.

My point was that your belief or disbelief in a thing tends to predicate whether you find evidence to support a thing or not. Your Will with intention, conscious or otherwise, determines it.

You believe in a god external to yourself without realizing that you peer into a mirror.

Not trying to argue either, though I know my tone tends to be rather easily interpreted that way.

hemp lover

"I'd rather live my life a slave to rules created by man by the authority of a non-existent invisible being and die and find out I wasted my life
Than live as if there isn't one and die and face this assumedly loving, forgiving Being who should certainly understand my scepticism."

That second line reminds me of how I was finally able to let go of the JW religion. I was df'ed for two years before reading "Crisis of Conscience," all the while thinking I would die at the Big A. But then it hit me: if God exists, then He is so much bigger and beyond comprehension than I've been lead to believe and He certainly understands why I can't be in this religion.

And if the JWs are His "chosen people", then I want no part of that god. I'll take whatever's coming to me, either way.

Xena

Sex as evidence for god? Hmmm, guess I need to get on my knees and worship!

I'm sure she would appreciate it.

I believe I will believe in JamesThomas' words.

hemp lover

Yeah, me too. Plus the sex thing.

"If you want to touch the sky, you gotta learn how to kneel. On your knees, boy!" --Bono (God?)

SixofNine

No. No evidence for, tons of evidence against.

People can, of course, make up a new age-ish definition of a god for which there is not quite such a humorous lack of evidence, but that's just silly (and a bit dishonest with language), they should make up a new word, like "Nugoddallupinus" or somesuch.

Xena

Give me concrete evidence against any type of "god" or concept of "god" Six.

Abandoned

NO, I don't. I do recognize how amazing the universe is, but if it was created, I don't see any evidence that the creator has made any attempt to communicate with mankind. If he ever does, I'm sure it will be a message for everyone and be understandable to all. In the mean time, I don't see how meditating on the exact nature of a flying teapot is going to benefit me or anyone around me. In fact, if I look back over my years of service to this still invisible teapot, I was just spinning my tires.

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