BC mother - JW has 6 babies!!!!!

by Lady Lee 24 Replies latest social current

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  Scully

  Doesnt Vitro create many embryos which later are destroyed/die because of bad womb environment? Wouldn't that be like an abortion at an early stage?

  In vitro fertilization (IVF) merely means that fertilization takes place outside the body.

  The zygotes (the organism that results from the union of sperm and egg) are allowed to develop to a certain stage prior to being implanted in the mother's uterus. Some of these do not develop and are therefore not viable for pregnancy.

  It is uncommon nowadays for so many embryos to be implanted, due to the risks involved with multiple gestation pregnancies. There are risks with twin pregnancies, and those risks are multiplied even more with each embryo that is implanted. There are risks to both the mother and the fetuses - these infants are predicted to have serious sequelae due to their prematurity, possibly including blindness, deafness, cerebral palsy, etc. That being the case, it is now considered prudent to transfer two embryos, possibly three, with IVF procedures. Of course, there are possibilities that single embryos can become twinned themselves after implantation.

  If your question is whether a non-viable IVF pregnancies are like a deliberate therapeutic abortion, I would have to say no. These IVF babies are very much wanted, and the parents have often been trying to get pregnant for many years. If you want something of a closer comparison, it is more like a miscarriage when an embryo is not viable.
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  Lady Lee

  I see we are both on the ball tonight

  I can see this turning into a legal circus very fast. I can't imagine that the blood issue won't rear its ugly head along with an army of elders and lawyers

  If I am correct the fertilized eggs would all have to be implanted - well according to JW rules. Otherwise they couple would be accused of murdering their babies.

  In virto is not necessarily about a bad womb. There could be no problems with the womb but rather some issue, like scar tissue, in the fallopian tubes. The invitro would simply remove the eggs, fertilize them and bypass the scar tissue (in this type of situation) and implant the fertilized eggs in the womb. (I don't know if that is the case in THIS family)

  I find it hard to believe the WTS is going to condone this. As JWs they wouldn't be allowed to use someone else's egg or sperm. So as long as the sperm and egg come from the couple they would bypass trouble with the elders on that count.

  But other issues might include:

  • Why aren't they pioneering?
  • Why aren't they waiting til the new system?
  • Why aren't they relying on Jehovah?

  And that is just for starters. The medical issues with 6 very tiny babies is mind-boggling
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  Scully

  fertility drugs which is different from in vitro

  Fertility drugs are often used with IVF - the woman has injections of medication like Clomid which causes the ovaries to hyper-produce ova. The ova are harvested in a one-time procedure, to allow the woman to stop taking the fertility drugs (which have risks of serious side effects too). Once the ova are harvested, they can be fertilized with the husband's sperm.
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  Darth Yhwh

  But other issues might include:

  • Why aren't they pioneering?

  No offence, Lady Lee,

  But I think that's the first time you've ever made me laugh!
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  Scully

  aren't tiny premies often given blood transfusions? Scully????

  It all depends on the health problems that come up with the premies.

  It's going to be interesting to see what happens over the next few months.
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  ValiantBoy

  Wow..they are really gonna have their hands full. I may disagree with their religious views and lifestyle, but they will certainly be in my thoughts and prayers.
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  Lady Lee

  Darth

  No offence, Lady Lee,

  But I think that's the first time you've ever made me laugh

  I've been known to do that on rare occasion. At least a couple of people have sprayed coffee on their monitors and keyboards.

  Scully

  I can't imagine that their livers would be working very well at this point. Wouldn't that increase their chance of needing blood?

  The problems these babies are facing are enormous.
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  blondie

  Scully, so then women only take fertility drugs with those procedures?
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  vomit

  Thanks scully, but say the doctors fertilize 4 ovums, decide 3 will be put back. What happens to the fourth? It is destroyed/let to die. I have no problem with this myself. But if you create something in an environment that cant support it you have killed it yourself.
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  Scully

  Blondie

  It usually is the mother who has to take fertility drugs. A low sperm count is considered to be < 20million sperm per mL of ejaculate. One "dose" would be sufficient for IVF purposes. However, a normal woman only produces one ovum per month. Fertility drugs speed up the maturation process of the woman's ova so that she produces many many more ova at one time.

  Increasing a low sperm count is usually as simple as switching to boxer shorts so the testicles have some room to breathe and be in a slightly cooler environment.