It is our conciousness.
Where did the universe come from?
by Blueblades 53 Replies latest jw friends
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tetrapod.sapien
some cosmologists at cambridge have begun postulating that the universe is actually much much older that 14 billion years, and that the big bang, was actually one in a cyclical series of many.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1768191,00.html
subjective hypotheses for which i have no evidence at all:
- from the goswami school of thought, the universe only existed in potentiality before homo sapiens became conscious. when we became conscious, the universe materialized.
- the recycling system of the cosmos is a cyclical series of big bangs and big hushes. big bangs create time and space, expanding them outward. big hushes are singularities brought about by technologically advanced and consciously novel homo sapiens, where things happen at a faster and faster rate of change and advancement, until suddenly all events of future time occur at a single moment, the singularity, and everything is squished into a tiny point. a pico second later, the next big bang occurs. same amount of energy, but scrambled from its previous forms. and the 14 billion years of my non conscious existence is actually just a cyclical higher vibrational repose with the gods. heheh.
- i created the universe, but forgot i was God Almighty. now i spend my time cursing the absence of god almighty, lol.
- the universe doesn't exist yet, but will after december 21 2012, when we are conscious enough to handle the fact that we are the new gods ourselves. the last 14 billion years have been a computer simulation. and indeed, the universe is very matrix-like. scientists thought that the only thing in the universe that did not compute were black holes. but as it turns out, black holes also compute. they have input AND output. stephen hawkin had to recant recently, i believe.
or, perhaps i am just an ape who ate some mushrooms once. mmmm.... spores!
tetra
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La Capra
Don't question from where the univers came, you should wonder from where the source of the universe came (and from where the source of the source of the universe came)...
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Satanus
Lacapra
From where did potential come? Hmmm.
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frankiespeakin
I can only give you my opinion FWIW.
It came from you. You are making the stars shine, plants grow, space expand, time, past, present and future. Everything is just One, the Self. The same consciousness that looks out at the world thru your eyes is the same consciousness that looks out thru mine, as well as the same that looks thru your pets, your plants, etc...
In fact what you perceive as the universe is just a infinitely small part of a greater universe, and what we perceive as an infinitley small part of this uninverse is filled with an infinite number of universes, and an infinite number of universes exist within each one of those universes, infinity goes in both directions so that what we see as incredibly small is a universe to those forms of consciouness that are incredibly smaller still, everthing is relative after all, time, space, size, are all relative.
Which makes me conclude that it is all an illusion based on the way the mind interpets things, the same as the color red is just a mind interpetation, or the same is true of sound interpetations it is all in the mind, and the way it interpets things which we erroniously conclude to be reality.
So I guess I agree with Jaguar, it comes from our consciousness. Without consciousness nothing can be said to exist.
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wozadummy
Why would you ask a question like that here?
Asking people who have left JW's will not give any answer will it? All of mankind and science cannot and will not find out in our present state ,perhaps only a time machine could give the answer. But where did the time machine come from?
Perhaps acceptance of all things just being here is all that is needed to move ahead?
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ellderwho
If it was always here, how did it get here? Let's leave God out of the equation for now.
For the order and laws that regulate our life on earth would beg the notion of at least a "law of emergence" for a begining or self assembly. The world as it appears, seems to operate within a system, or things that can be relied upon to happen.
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AlmostAtheist
The simplest answer is often wrong -- but it's also easy to state. So I'll go with it, since there's so little data supporting anything else anyway.
I'm not keen on the idea that matter exists or doesn't based on our thoughts. Our thoughts are, after all, running around in matter. Take away your material brain and your consciousness takes a serious hit. ;-)
From a "does it makes sense?" standpoint, I like the idea of the stuff of the universe having always existed. The expand, collapse, explode cycle going on forever is beautiful to me. Perhaps not true at all, and I wouldn't bet more than maybe $10 on it, but I like it. And it isn't (to my limited knowledge) contradicted by anything we currently know.
Dave
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lonelysheep
The bible, faith, belief, superstition, praying, etc. are "uses" of the jimmy brain. They are welfare projects of those addicted to over-active brain time. No, seriously!
LOL! I like that.
Most theoretical physics, math and science take advantage of jimmy brains. 99.99% of what those brains come up with are useless meanderings, cogitations, conjectures and crackpot notions. But, the .001 % is darned useful indeed!
Yes, like algebra!
Worry and wondering over such a thing just wastes time that can be used to enjoy universe we live in itself.
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Satanus
From what i see in some of the cosmological sites and news, the universe seems to be self organising. In it's beginning, it went through various stages. Isotropy, chaos, elemental hydrogen, to name a few. From elemental hydrogen form nebulae, nebulae give birth to stars and perhaps galaxies, stars fuse hydrogen into helium, and progressively make heavier elements. They eventually explode, broadcasting their material. Some of this material reforms into other stars or planets, etc.
Up the ladder of 'creation', galaxies get formed and clusters of galaxies. Galaxies sometimes merge, growing larger, more complex. That's the general picture, anyway.
S