Looking for info on the WTS development of baptism ?'s & requirement's

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  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    In a recent thread Blondie mentioned that the Baptism questions were not introduced until the 1960s. What do an interested person have to do prior to then in order to be allowed to be baptised?

    It got me thinking about the WTS justification for the questions. They claim that the Jews already knew Jehovah's requirements, so a Jew simply had to confess faith in Jesus to be baptised. In modern times a person needs to go through the questions to show they know Gods doctrines and standards. This is nonsense. In Jesus day there were many Jewish Sects that believed many different things. i.e Saduccees and Pharisees. On top of that Jesus had done away with the Mosaic Law and the Sacred Secret was revealed. There was a gulf of difference between Jewish thinking and Christianity. Yet baptism only required the person such as the Ethiopian Eunich to profess faith in Jesus.

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    The only requirement for baptism was enough water to totally submerge a person. Oh yes. They needed a bathing suit and a towel. Baptisms could be performed anytime NOT just at assemblies. If someone wanted to get baptized they got baptized.

  • MeneMene
    MeneMene

    I was baptized at age 12 in 1960. At that time all you had to do was show up at the circuit assembly with a bathing suit you could change into. Those being baptized sat down in front of the stage. There was a brief talk; we then were told to stand. They asked us as a group two questions (don't remember what they were). We as a group answered in the affirmative and off we went to a pool at a cheap motel nearby to be dipped.

  • MeneMene
    MeneMene

    proplog2 is right - an assembly was not necessary. I just described my situation which happened to be at a CA.

  • moggy lover
    moggy lover

    Hi, Jwf, I'm not sure if this is the information That you are looking for, but here goes:

    Ray Franz in his second book, ISOCF, adresses this issue on pgs 117-124, and here is a summary of his views. Initially, among Bible Stidents of Russell's day, no issue was taken up with people who had been baptized in some other denomination, as long as thy clearly understood its meaning, ie they were accountabe adults, and their baptism was by immersion. This position lasted for the first seven decades of the WTS [1879-1955]

    As late as the July 1 WT of 1955, pg 412, the society stated that "Rebaptism was necessary only if the previous baptism was not in symbol of a dedication, or if it was not by immersion"

    However, exactly a year later, in the July 1, 1956 WT [pg 406] this position was reversed, and now it became mandatory to be baptised in the WTS scheme of things. The rationale used in that WT, was that other religious organisations, although seeming to baptize in the name of "The Father, and the Son, and the holy spirit" yet did not recognize these ones as the Higher Powers [A view that even the WTS now rejects. From 1928-1961 the official position of the WTS was that Ro 13:1 referred to Jehovah and the Jesus]

    Six months later, in the Dec 15 WT 1956, pg 763 in the now infamous QFR, the qualification was made that only those who had been baptized after 1918 needed to be rebaptized, for those immersed before that date, where ever it had been performed, the matter was left upto their conscience. Why 1918? Because, according to the article, that was the date when Christendom was officially rejected by Jehovah, hence anything done by them after that date was invalid.

    The WTS has however been baptizing their own recruits since Russell's day, and until 1942, no public affirmation was required in the form of answering any questions before an audience. This began in 1942, when the first two questions asked were:

    1 Do you believe in Jehovah God the Father, that salvation belongeth unto Jehovah, and that Christ Jesus is his Son, in whose blood your sins are washed away and by whom salvation comes to you from God?

    2 Have you therefore confessed your sins to God, and asked for cleansing by Christ Jesus, and therefore turned away from sin and the world, and consecrated yourself without reservation to God, to do his will?

    This form lasted until 1956, when the new requirement of rebaptism came out. The only major alteration was the introduction of the mention of the Holy Spirit, which as you can see, was not referred to in 1942, and a change from "consecration" to "dedication" The questions were now: [WT July 1 1956, pg 407]

    1 Have you recognized yourself as a sinner before Jehovah God, who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him the Father through his Son, Jesus Christ?

    2 On the basis of this faith in God and his provision of salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightenment of the holy spirit?

    Another, and the most revolutionary, change came about as a result of the June 1 WT 1985, where as has become well known, the recruit was to affirm publicly, his/her association with "God's spirit directed organisation"

    The following is my comment, not RF's: I can see a clearly developed trend in the evloution of the public questions:

    1 No Holy Spirit 2 Enlightenment of the holy spirit "through the Bible" [WT publications?] 3 All references to the holy spirit now replaced by the introduction of the "Spirit directed Organisation"

    Hope this helps

    Cheers

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Thanks for the personal experiences.

    Moggy that is perfect, exactly what I was after, thanks.

  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    jwfacts:

    In 1955 a person would have already had the desire followed by conduct of "dedicating" their life and then baptism would follow to make a "public declaration" of their stand to serve Jehovah. Anyone at any time could get baptized as long as the body of water would totally cover, (submerge) their body. Sometimes in a "private" baptism an overseer would request 2 witnesses. There were 2 main questions that all baptismal candidates were asked by the overseer just before they were baptized. They were: Watchtower-1955-July-1-pp.407-413 Christian Baptism For The New World Society 18 Who are eligible for baptism? Those who at the time of coming to be immersed can stand and say, aloud before the witnesses present, “Yes” to each of the following questions. (1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him the Father through his Son Christ Jesus? (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Christ Jesus and through the Bible under the enlightenment of the holy spirit? Here are some quotes from this Watchtower. 15 A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit. 16 With the blessed divine requirements to be met by dedicated servants of God in mind, we can see that the decision of dedication must be one of free will, and that it is not to be urged upon anyone. Therefore, baptism of infants or small children under the age of responsibility is unchristian and should not be indulged in. Scans of all pages 407-413. http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?127fs849022.jpg http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?127fs850954.jpg http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?127fs852095.jpg http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?127fs852870.jpg http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?127fs853490.jpg http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?127fs855221.jpg http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?127fs855699.jpg Cheers! Atlantis-

  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    jwfacts:

    Moggy lover hit the nail on the head. Let me know if you need scans of those Watchtowers moggy listed for you and I'll get them.

    Great work moggy!

    Cheers! Atlantis-

  • moggy lover
    moggy lover

    Atlantis: Thanks a million for the scans of the article from the Wt. Yes, pleeeeease, I'm sure we love to see the originals of the Wts that RF was using.

    THNX, matey-mate

    Cheers

  • moggy lover
    moggy lover

    Hi, jwfacts, and Atlantis: Just an update to what I wrote previously. It appears that RF's obsevations were merely a summary of WT historical development, because some more information has emerged. Based on what RF wrote on pg 117, I might have implied that the use of public questions began in 1942, with the questions quoted therein. However it was while consulting this site, on an unrelated matter that I discovered, in the section listed as "Baptismal Questions" some additional information:

    http//www.food4jws.com

    According to this site, which is a Russellite Bible Student site, Russell did have a system of asking the potential recruit to answer two questions. The questions are listed, and do contain a reference to the Holy Spirit. The authority cited is given as "What Pastor Russell said" pg 35 Unfortunately RF makes no mention of this.

    There is also a reference to a Wt of Feb 1, 1945, pg 44, which also lists a revised form of questions and which RF also does not mention.

    Cheers

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