by Warlock 93 Replies latest social current
To be fair, please consider that there is also a tremendous amount of "special interest" money for those who promote "global warming". Namely scientists and environmental groups. Also, groups that have yet to be formed.
Whenever this topic of "global warming" is discussed, the only "special interest" money that seems to be considered is "big oil" money.
Warlock
Freewilly (hi)
Since you mention Solanki. You might also wish to consider what Solanki et al has to say about solar forcing and the enhanced greenhouse effect here:
"However, it is also clear that since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming."
and:
"...according to our latest knowledge on the variations of the solar magnetic field, the significant increase in theEarth’s temperature since 1980 is indeed to be ascribed to the greenhouse effect caused by carbon dioxide," Prof. Sami K. Solanki
I'm amazed that "scientists" are trying to make a comparison between our global warming issues on earth with what is happening on other planets. First of all their atmosphere is totally different than earth's and so any supposed study would have to take that into account. Then you have the issue of orbit, distance from the sun, weather observations for many years, etc. The statement that Mars may be warming doesn't explain why we are, in my opinion...here's why:
http://www.solarspace.co.uk/Mars/mars.php
The theory that Pluto is warming is absurd to link to Earth's situation:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html
"The increasing temperatures are more likely explained by two simple facts: Pluto's highly elliptical orbit significantly changes the planet's distance from the Sun during its long "year," which lasts 248 Earth years; and unlike most of the planets, Pluto's axis is nearly in line with the orbital plane, tipped 122 degrees. Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees.
Though Pluto was closest to the Sun in 1989, a warming trend 13 years later does not surprise David Tholen, a University of Hawaii astronomer involved in the discovery.
"It takes time for materials to warm up and cool off, which is why the hottest part of the day on Earth is usually around 2 or 3 p.m. rather than local noon," Tholen said. "This warming trend on Pluto could easily last for another 13 years."
Swalker
I'm amazed that "scientists" are trying to make a comparison between our global warming issues on earth with what is happening on other planets. First of all their atmosphere is totally different than earth's and so any supposed study would have to take that into account. Then you have the issue of orbit, distance from the sun, weather observations for many years, etc. The statement that Mars may be warming doesn't explain why we are, in my opinion
SWALKER,
The real reason you disagree, is because these 'facts' throw a huge wrench into the works of the 'believers' in the new religion, called "Global Warming".
Or maybe, just maybe, it's all the 'aliens' on those other planets that are causing it. Just because we can't see them, doesn't mean they are not there.
Warlock
The real reason you disagree, is because these 'facts' throw a huge wrench into the works of the 'believers' in the new religion, called "Global Warming".
Did you even read the articles??? The "facts" show that there is no corelation!
Swalker
In what is largely a reversal of an August announcement, astronomers today said Pluto is undergoing global warming in its thin atmosphere even as it moves farther from the Sun on its long, odd-shaped orbit.
SWALKER,
You forgot to include this paragraph which states that this warming is occuring while Pluto is moving FARTHER away from the sun.
It's all the cars, I tell you!
Warlock
It's all the cars, I tell you!
I can think of where some real hot air is coming from out near you!!
Warlock,
Please read the following from MIT Researchers,etc.:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/pluto.html
October 9, 2002
BIRMINGHAM, Ala.--Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Williams College, the University of Hawaii, Lowell Observatory and Cornell University announced in a press conference today at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's (AAS) Division for Planetary Sciences in Birmingham, AL.
The team, led by James Elliot, professor of planetary astronomy at MIT and director of MIT's Wallace Observatory, made this finding by watching the dimming of a star when Pluto passed in front of it Aug. 20. The team carried out observations using eight telescopes at Mauna Kea Observatory, Haleakala, Lick Observatory, Lowell Observatory and Palomar Observatory. Data were successfully recorded at all sites.
An earlier attempt to observe an occultation of Pluto on July 19 in Chile was not highly successful. Observations were made from only two sites with small telescopes because the giant telescopes and other small telescopes involved lost out to bad weather or from being in the wrong location that day. These two occultations were the first to be successfully observed for Pluto since 1988.
Elliot said the new results have surprised the observers, who as recently as July thought that Pluto's atmosphere may be cooling. "From the July data, we knew that Pluto's atmosphere had changed since 1988, but the August data allowed us to probe much more deeply into Pluto's atmosphere and have given us a more accurate picture of the changes that have occurred," he said.
Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at Williams College, said that Pluto's global warming was "likely not connected with that of the Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be changing the temperature of Pluto."
Pluto's orbit is much more elliptical than that of the other planets, and its rotational axis is tipped by a large angle relative to its orbit. Both factors could contribute to drastic seasonal changes.
Since 1989, for example, the sun's position in Pluto's sky has changed by more than the corresponding change on the Earth that causes the difference between winter and spring. Pluto's atmospheric temperature varies between around minus 235 and minus 170 degrees Celsius, depending on the altitude above the surface. The main gas in Pluto's atmosphere is nitrogen, and Pluto has nitrogen ice on its surface that can evaporate into the atmosphere when it gets warmer, causing an increase in surface pressure. If the observed increase in the atmosphere also applies to the surface pressure--which is likely the case--this means that the average surface temperature of the nitrogen ice on Pluto has increased slightly less than 2 degrees Celsius over the past 14 years.
Marc Buie, an astronomer at Lowell Observatory, has been measuring the amount of sunlight reflected by Pluto. "The pressure increase can be explained if the average amount of sunlight reflected by the surface has decreased, which means that more heat is absorbed from the sun," he said. "This could be the reason that the pressure has been pumped up."
David Tholen, an astronomer at the University of Hawaii who measured the size of Pluto in the late 1980s using a series of occultations and eclipses involving Pluto's satellite, noted that even though Pluto was closest to the sun in 1989, a warming trend 13 years later shouldn't be unexpected. "It takes time for materials to warm up and cool off, which is why the hottest part of the day on Earth is usually around 2 or 3 p.m. rather than local noon, when sunlight is the most intense," Tholen said. Because Pluto's year is equal to about 250 Earth years, 13 years after Pluto's closest approach to the Sun is like 1:15 p.m. on Earth. "This warming trend on Pluto could easily last for another 13 years," Tholen estimated.
Every paper I'm reading says basically the same thing...it's not caused by the SUN! Case closed!!! Go back to the drawing board and try to pull another rabbit out of a hat to explain Earth's warming problem. I'm all ears....
Swalker
Elliot added that the process affecting Pluto's temperature is complex. "We just don't know what is causing these effects," he said.
They really don't know. They can only ASSUME.
The same thing with the Earth.
CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHICH GROUP OF SCIENTISTS HAS ALL OF THE EARTHS TEMPERATURE RECORDS IN RECORDED HISTORY? CAN ANYONE SAY, FOR A FACT, THAT THE EARTH HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED "GLOBAL WARMING" IN THE PAST? NO THEY CANNOT!
How about pre-recorded history?
How about before man walked the earth?
The religion of "Global Warming" is a worldwide money making scheme.
Warlock
To point to cooler than average temps in a normally warm area, and then criticize global warming betrays a true ignorance of what global warming actually does. It's on the level of Rush Limbaugh intelligence. Keep listening to Rush dude, I'll pay attention to what leading scientists are saying. (Unlike Mr. Limbaugh, they actually have college degrees).
