by avishai 50 Replies latest jw friends
It's dangerous to believe it never happened. There's a famous quote, I don't remember who said it, but basically it goes, "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it."
I think it's especially dangerous considering who are trying to say it didn't exist. The president of iran does not seem like a well man from what I've seen of him. He has already publically stated that his goal is to destroy Israel. I think that needs to be taken seriously.
There is a vast danger in these wackos who like to say it never happened, or that relatively few Jews died during WWII. As it's already been brought out, in 20 years time, it'll be almost impossible to talk to someone who survived it as they'll all be gone. This is why it's so important to teach it now. Lest we forget.
Denial of the Holocaust, any genocide, torture of prisoners, etc., etc., is all the same; an attempt to rewrite history.
Anyone denying the Holocaust represents some of the most ignorant, non thinking individuals in history. The Germans were anal about record keeping and hung themselves in front of the entire world. For those who still deny this happened, they need to get their brains removed from their hind ends.
Thank god for the immediate information we are able to get in our day and age and call to task those abusing their power.
On another note, isn't this why we are all here? The denial of the WBTS's history and the fact their latest converts don't have a clue.
r.
I hope you won't think I am defending someone I don't even know, as I have an innate distrust of all politicians and world leaders, but as to
He has already publically stated that his goal is to destroy Israel. I think that needs to be taken seriously.
here is an interesting article: http://democracyrising.us/content/view/736/164/
So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel."
THE PROOF:
The full quote translated directly to English:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
Something that needs to be taken just as seriously, if not more so, is what Israel is actually both doing and threatening to do right now.
~Merry
Forgot to add this link, which is more on-topic-- http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=39538
I can't say it any better than the others above, but I agree that denying the reality of the Holocaust is not only very serious but extremely dangerous. I just thought it was important to weigh in.
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Ahmadinejad May have said that. However, it's pretty close to the same thing to me. We said thatwe wanted to just remove the Iraqi regime, but I'm sure that means jack to the average Iraqui civilian at this point.
Also, he had a "summit" on the holocaust, inviting (and getting) such "experts" as David Duke and Lady Renouf to speak.....
Dear MM,
Despite the interpretations from the ruler of Iran, lets not deny his true intent. He does want Israel off the map, along with the U.S. out of the middle east and probably the U.S. off the map to boot.
r
Avishai--------- So what brought on this question, anyway?
I have posted many times in the past under this name and my old name here on JWD about this. I have found emotions run way to hard for people to really look at the facts. Like the true amount of people that died under the hands of the evil Nazi's. Also that the Gas Chambers at Auschwich that we see today were built after the war, we know that the the Gas Chambers were never destroyed during the war nor after leaving only one conclusion. I will not say what that is for fear of nasty posters calling me all sorts of names.
People do not want to hear the truth and get pissed when you tell them the truth.
So yes it will become a Law against ManKind to speak against the Holocaust not because of the real TRUTH but because of emotions. This is call cognitive dissonance.
Did anyone read the whole article? Having found it quite interesting, I provided a link. Here are a few more quotes then:
As Iran's U.N. Press Officer, M.A. Mohammadi, complained to The Washington Post in a June 2006 letter:
It is not amazing at all, the pick-and-choose approach of highlighting the misinterpreted remarks of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in October and ignoring this month's remarks by Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, that "We have no problem with the world. We are not a threat whatsoever to the world, and the world knows it. We will never start a war. We have no intention of going to war with any state."
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"The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom," Ahmadinejad said at Tuesday's meeting with the conference participants in his offices, according to Iran's official news agency, IRNA.
He said elections should be held among "Jews, Christians and Muslims so the population of Palestine can select their government and destiny for themselves in a democratic manner."
Once again, the first sentence above was wholly plagiarized from the AP article. The second sentence was also the same, except "He called for elections" became "He said elections should be held..."
It gets more interesting.
The quote used in the original AP article and copied in The Jerusalem Post article supposedly derives from the IRNA. If true, this can easily be checked. Care to find out? Go to:
There you will discover the actual IRNA quote was:
"As the Soviet Union disappeared, the Zionist regime will also vanish and humanity will be liberated."
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In the IRNA's actual report, the Zionist regime will vanish just as the Soviet Union disappeared. Vanish. Disappear. In the dishonest AP version, the Zionist regime will be "wiped out." And how will it be wiped out? "The same way the Soviet Union was." Rather than imply a military threat or escalation in rhetoric, this reference to Russia actually validates the intended meaning of Ahmadinejad's previous misinterpreted anti-Zionist statements. What has just been demonstrated is irrefutable proof of media manipulation and propaganda in action. The AP deliberately alters an IRNA quote to sound more threatening. The Israeli media not only repeats the fake quote but also steals the original authors' words. The unsuspecting public reads this, forms an opinion and supports unnecessary wars of aggression, presented as self defense, based on the misinformation.
This scenario mirrors the kind of false claims that led to the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq, a war now widely viewed as a catastrophic mistake. And yet the Bush administration and the compliant corporate media continue to marinate in propaganda and speculation about attacking Iraq's much larger and more formidable neighbor, Iran. Most of this rests on the unproven assumption that Iran is building nuclear weapons, and the lie that Iran has vowed to physically destroy Israel. Given its scope and potentially disastrous outcome, all this amounts to what is arguably the rumor of the century.
Iran 's President has written two rather philosophical letters to America. In his first letter, he pointed out that "History shows us that oppressive and cruel governments do not survive". With this statement, Ahmadinejad has also projected the outcome of his own backwards regime, which will likewise "vanish from the page of time."
That said, I don't trust any world leaders, their words, or their intentions any farther than I could throw them. But I ask again--what about what Israel is not just threatening but actually doing (and has been doing for generations) to a people who, according to some, don't even exist?! Is it not the least bit disturbing to anyone?
~Merry
