ALL MEANS ALL! Make Sure of All Things-1965-p.353 Early Christians avoided all political involvement. http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?128fs3373830.jpg Do they practice what they preach? Official Committee Hansard FADT 125 (Computer page # 62) Watchtower representative Mr. MacLean addresses the Senator's committee by stating: "We have also received support from the American embassy, the US Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, and the President's wife, Hillary Clinton." http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?128fs3377065.jpg Watchtower rep, MacLean states in the same paragraph that support was received "from time to time," meaning, more than once! In-other-words, a "practice" of being involved with politics and associating with some of the most politically powerful people in the world. Yet, Jehovah's Witness members are commanded from the Watchtower to rely on "support" from Jehovah and to "wait" on Him for their needs! Not to hypocritically get involved in politics or associate with the world as their Watchtower Headquarters do on a regular basis! So, whatever happened to, Early Christians avoided all political involvement? http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j2444.pdf Nevada-
JW's participate in Government talks with other religious bodies!
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nvrgnbk
There is one important fact being overlooked in this discussion. Since when has the leadership of the organization felt it was bound to the same standards as the lowly, foolish, barely tolerable, not-to-be-trusted publishers. I'm thinking- U.N. ok for them but do not even think about taking a dip in the apostate waters of the swimming pool at the YMCA.
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restrangled
So then would it be accurate to assume that the jw's have redefined yet another word? Similar to their redefinition of the word lie found in the Aid book?
See this is why jw's and non jw's have such a difficult time communicating.
EXACTLY!!!
Main Entry: ex·act·ly
Pronunciation: ig-'zak-(t)lE
Function: adverb
1 a: in a manner or measure or to a degree or number that strictly conforms to a fact or condition <it's exactly 3 o'clock> <these two pieces are exactly the same size> b: in every respect : ALTOGETHER, ENTIRELY <that was exactly the wrong thing to do> <not exactly what I had in mind>
2: quite so -- used to express agreementr's hubby
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Pahpa
Has anyone noticed that Watchtower apologists like good lawyers can argue a defense of the Watchtower policy without regard to the reality of how the average JW feels and acts? Would the average JW dare participate in any activity that would give even an appearance of compromise for fear of offending some rule of the Watchtower Society? This has been a long standing problem with JWs. They would rather fault on the side of non-participation and let the leadership take the initiative. "Let the elders/overseers handle the matter" has been the mantra of JWs for years and years.
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SirNose586
Well, I would judge this news based on how this relationship with the gov't of Ireland is going to work out. If each religion is going to interacting with the gov't alone, much like how fingers join to the hand, but are not joined to each other, then the dubs can write this off as "legally establishing and defending the good news."
If, however, the religions will be interacting with each other and the government, then there's a clear case of hypocrisy going on. But I will say that at this point, it seems that the above-mentioned arrangement will be how this is supposed to work.
Good find, Nevada.
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Fred E Hathaway
Thank you, SirNose586, for your balanced, positive, thought-provoking analysis and input at this juncture. Since they have legal entities in Ireland, as elsewhere, Jehovah's Witnesses surely are exercising their right in knowing what the Government of Ireland is up to, and in legally establishing and defending the Good News. Well put.
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Abandoned
Thank you, SirNose586, for your balanced, positive, thought-provoking analysis and input at this juncture. Since they have legal entities in Ireland, as elsewhere, Jehovah's Witnesses surely are exercising their right in knowing what the Government of Ireland is up to, and in legally establishing and defending the Good News. Well put.
You did a great job reading only half of what SirNose586 said and then misquoting it to make it look like he was stating something different than what he actually meant. You are a credit to the jehovah's witnesses and their duplictious use of other people's comments. Maybe you should send a copy of this thread to the governing body. I bet they'd have a position to offer you.
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betterdaze
Press Release from the Department of the Taoiseach, 25th February 2007
http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.asp?locID=560&docID=3255
Inauguration of the dialogue between Government and the churches, philosophical bodies and non-confessional organisations
The Taoiseach, Mr Bertie Ahern TD, has invited representatives of churches, faith communities and philosophical bodies to Dublin Castle on Monday, 26 February for the inauguration of an institutionalised dialogue with the Government.
This initiative reflects the significant role of the churches and an increasingly diverse range of faith communities, the Government's commitment to wide-ranging consultation on public policy including through social partnership, and the provision for dialogue with the churches and other non-confessional bodies in the draft Constitutional Treaty for the European Union.
The inauguration will include addresses by the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste, followed by an official reception for all guests.
It is envisaged that the inaugural event will be followed by a series of bilateral meetings with dialogue partners over the coming months. The Secretariat for the State, as a partner in dialogue, will be provided by the Department of the Taoiseach, but the dialogue will be arranged so as not to displace the existing and ongoing consultation and dialogue of the various civil authorities in respect of their specific functional responsibilities.
Departments and Agencies will continue to recognise and include the churches and non-confessional bodies as part of consultation practices for policy preparation in relevant areas.
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"Institutionalised dialogue" with a national government. Purpose: Drafting a Constitutional Treaty.
The WBTS is assisting a worldly (Satanic) government in an INTERFAITH environment. It lowers Jehovah's Kingdom too the same level as "churches, faith communities and philosophical bodies."
If this really was Almighty Jehovah's earthly organization, He would provide a path for His own free from interfaith whoring with Satan's world. He could make "even the stones cry out!" This shows the dire lack of faith that the Governing Body has in Jehovah's ability to carry out His purposes.
It brings to mind the last page of Orwell's Animal Farm, where the animals look from the men to the pigs, and the pigs to the men, and can no longer see a difference.
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SirNose586
Thank you, SirNose586, for your balanced, positive, thought-provoking analysis and input at this juncture. Since they have legal entities in Ireland, as elsewhere, Jehovah's Witnesses surely are exercising their right in knowing what the Government of Ireland is up to, and in legally establishing and defending the Good News. Well put.
You did a great job reading only half of what SirNose586 said and then misquoting it to make it look like he was stating something different than what he actually meant. You are a credit to the jehovah's witnesses and their duplictious use of other people's comments. Maybe you should send a copy of this thread to the governing body. I bet they'd have a position to offer you.Sorry Freddy, but Abandoned's right on this one. For one, my comment wasn't supportive of what they were doing, because I said they could "write it off" as "defending the good news." That was criticism. Perhaps it didn't appear that way to you, and for that I apologize. My comment referred to how JWs could defend what they were doing in Ireland, if confronted about their activities.
Secondly, I draw your attention to what this new relationship will mean:
This initiative reflects the significant role of the churches and an increasingly diverse range of faith communities, the Government's commitment to wide-ranging consultation on public policy including through social partnership, and the provision for dialogue with the churches and other non-confessional bodies in the draft Constitutional Treaty for the European Union.
So now the JWs will be included in "wide-ranging consultation on public policy." Clearly, this has a broad application. It could be public policy relating to the WTS's immediate interests. It could be policy on divorce law, abortion law, or any other things which are bound to offend people of sensitive religious nature. But I imagine that there could also be a roundtable of discussion and consensus. For example:
Gov't of Ireland: "An abortion bill was introduced recently. How do you feel about it, Muslims?"
Muslim rep: "It's murder. Allah would not approve. Outlaw it."
JW rep: "I agree, outlaw it."
And so in this new relationship, the possibility exists that they could both aid in the function of government, and engage in cooperative efforts with other religions--both situations that the WT railed against in their publications. This new dialogue with the government is a departure from the courtroom-battles because the nature of this relationship allows for consultation on government policy where they may not be the primary beneficiaries of the decision.
So it will be interesting to see how candid the WT is about this development. Might they have a blurb about it on the back of a Watchtower? Will they say nothing about it at all? Take note of what they publish half a year from now. If they say nothing about this dialogue, how will you react? What might silence on this matter reveal about the organization's intent?
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betterdaze
***So it will be interesting to see how candid the WT is about this development. ***
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